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tacobellfan203
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is baptism here baptism in water or is it talking about baptism of the holy spirit?
Hello im not a catholic but I was wondering something about acts 2:38
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Referring to Baptism involving water and the Holy Spirit.
Baptism *is *baptism in “water and spirit”.
Baptism *is *baptism in “water and spirit”.
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tacobellfan203
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how do you know it’s referring to water baptism though? couldn’t it be saying repent and get baptized in the holy spirit?
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That is how one received the Holy Spirit.
They ask - what are we to do…?
Repent and be baptized…for forgiveness of your sins…
and you will receive the Holy Spirit.
One repents and is baptized (with water).
What effects does hes mention of this?
Forgiveness of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit comes at baptism (yes with water as Jesus said and as his Church practiced form the Beginning).
And that they baptized a great number of persons.
Baptism was something that was “done”.
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Does that answer your question?
We know by the context of the Scriptures, from what Peter says and from what happens, the command of Jesus, the practice of the Church from the very beginning etc.
We know by the context of the Scriptures, from what Peter says and from what happens, the command of Jesus, the practice of the Church from the very beginning etc.
The term “baptize” in the Scriptures means only baptism in water, because the Greek term simply means “immerse.” The so-called “Baptism in the Spirit” as the charismatics use it is an extended metaphor, and its context is not used in the Scriptures because the Greek audience would not have used the term as used by the charismatics.
The term “baptism in the Holy Spirit” as used in charismatic circles has its most primitive expression only during the time of the Calvinist reformation, and most prominently in the 19th and 20th centuries. For the ancient Christians, to baptize (“immerse”) meant only water.
The term “baptism in the Holy Spirit” as used in charismatic circles has its most primitive expression only during the time of the Calvinist reformation, and most prominently in the 19th and 20th centuries. For the ancient Christians, to baptize (“immerse”) meant only water.
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PNEUMA
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Well, here Peter and the Apostles were
“filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues” (Acts 2:4)
This is a spiritual gift and that’s why
“Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38)
So they must first be baptized in the name of Jesus (in water) and then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, like in
Acts 19:5 “On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues”
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grannymh
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Because Pentecost is the beginning of Acts chapter 2, there are unique special gifts of the Holy Spirit. The fullness of these gifts are described in 1 Corinthians, chapters 12 and 14. However, in my opinion, references to charismatic circles may be a different topic. This would depend on the meanings (plural intended) Tacobellfan203 gives to his opening post.
With Acts 2: 14, the apostles leave the safety of the Upper Room and Peter’s famous teachings begin. Acts 2: 36 proclaims Jesus as Lord and Messiah. The natural question “What are we to do, my brothers?” follows in Acts 2: 37. Acts 2: 38 answers with the basic information which is Baptism in water.
Baptism in water is amazingly powerful. It gives us a share in the divine life of our Creator God. Genesis 1: 27. Catholics call this the State of Sanctifying Grace. Peter is correct in connecting the Sacrament of Baptismal water to the presence of the Holy Spirit within us. In Acts 2: 38, the gift of the Holy Spirit is the presence of God Himself.
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SJacob7
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I don’t see how you can say that baptize in Scriptures only means baptism in water. First of all, there were different uses of the word baptism. Such as:
1 Corinthians 10:2
and all of them were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
and
Luke 12:50
There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished!
Also,
Mark 10:38
Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking. Can you drink the cup that I drink or be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?”
These 3 verses don’t imply water baptism. You also say that ‘baptism in the Holy Spirit’ comes from charismatic circles. Really? Then please explain these verses that are from all 4 Gospels. We know that the definition of baptize is to “immerse”. Try replacing the word ‘baptize’ with the word ‘immerse’, which is it’s definition, in the following verses.
Matthew 3:11
I am baptizing (immersing) you with water, for repentance, but the one who is coming after me is mightier than I. I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize (immerse) you with the holy Spirit and fire
Mark 1:8
I have baptized you with water; he will baptize you with the holy Spirit.”
Luke 3:16
John answered them all, saying, “I am baptizing you with water, but one mightier than I is coming. I am not worthy to loosen the thongs of his sandals. He will baptize you with the holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33
I did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘On whomever you see the Spirit come down and remain, he is the one who will baptize with the holy Spirit.’
John baptized with water and the baptism of the Holy Spirit comes from Jesus Christ.
A good example that there is a difference between water and spirit baptism is seen here.
Acts 1:5
for John baptized (immersed) with water, but in a few days you will be baptized (immersed) with the holy Spirit.”
There is a baptism of the Spirit. Thanks.
SJ
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Peter is yes referring there to baptism with water - which then brings forgiveness and by which the person receives the Holy Spirit.
Not referring to anything else.
Not referring to anything else.
Okay.
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Yes and that refers to what?
That which is happening at baptism (with water). Such is being baptized in the Spirit. That is what is meant by being baptized in water and the spirit.
Jesus commanded baptism - and yes that involves water and of course the Holy Spirit.
And that is what happened after Peter preached and they asked - what are we to do brothers?
Repent and be baptized …for the forgiveness of sins…and you will receive the Holy Spirit.
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adamhovey1988
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I think it might be wise to read John chapter 3
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SJacob7
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Yes, thank you. I’m assuming when you say ‘That is what is meant by being baptized in water and the spirit’ you are referencing John 3:6? Unfortunately, the word ‘baptized’ is not use there. Actually, I don’t think that verse can be used to imply Jesus meant the water baptism as we know it today. Because the baptism with the spirit did not happen until after Jesus died. And in the next paragraph, Jesus states to Nicodemus that he is Israel’s teacher and you do not understand these things? Clearly, this context is referring to something in the OT. Maybe Ezekiel 36:25-27? Jesus reference that he should know because he is Israel’s teacher can only point to what they would be teaching, and that is from what we call the OT.
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Afraid your mistaken.
It is yes referring to baptism.
One does not need to say “baptism” to refer to baptism and the reality of new life that comes with faith and baptism. And Nicodemus was asking *how *it can be…
So Jesus then answered him…
Yes he should have known *how *such things could be…
(not about the details of what was to be after his death and resurrection - of how one will be born again of water and the Spirit…)
This though is all off topic.
One may refer to any number of good Catholic Commentaries such as:
scepterpublishers.org/products/why-john-is-different-unique-insights-in-the-gospel-and-writings-of-st-john
catholiccommentaryonsacredscripture.com/volumes-authors/the-gospel-of-john/
or those of the Fathers of the Church etc.
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Returning to the actual topic:
Peter is yes referring there to baptism with water - which then brings forgiveness and by which the person receives the Holy Spirit.
Not referring to anything else.
Peter is yes referring there to baptism with water - which then brings forgiveness and by which the person receives the Holy Spirit.
Not referring to anything else.
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SJacob7
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Sorry I got off topic. So does the person receive the Holy Spirit when they are baptized in water? Thanks
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PJM
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Acts.2: [38] And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
In. With & Through the Holy Spirit
Haydock’s Bible commentary
Ver. 38. Be baptized: believing and making profession to believe, and hope for salvation, by the merits of Jesus Christ. Thus you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, the grace of God, and perhaps those other gifts of speaking with tongues, working miracles, &c. (Witham) — The gift of the Holy Ghost. That is, justifying grace, which is infused in our hearts by the laver of regeneration. The exterior gifts of the Holy Ghost, the gift of tongues, of miracles, prophecy, &c. were, in the beginning of the Church, more regularly the consequences of confirmation or imposition of hands. (Calmet)
God Bless you
Patrick
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Easy to do.
Yes they do.
As Peter said there in his answer to the crowd and as has been the teaching of the Church ever since.
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