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What I was refering to was what type of moral code of life is given to us in the New Testament… “loving people” whether they are your friends or your enemies is very good as a principle, but there certainly have been many killings sanctioned by the Catholic Chruches over the centuries… so from which moral codice did these develop or borrow from ???

(I am not saying that Islaam forbids killing, but we are taking each religion at a time).
 
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jello:
Hello to all,

I hope it will be OK if I invite the members to visit the link

www.geocities.com/hosseincaraballo

(since this is the non-Catholics portion of the forum).

In any case, any and all comments will be appreciated.
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Yo no hablo Espanol.
 
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What I was refering to was what type of moral code of life is given to us in the New Testament… “loving people” whether they are your friends or your enemies is very good as a principle, but there certainly have been many killings sanctioned by the Catholic Chruches over the centuries… so from which moral codice did these develop or borrow from ???

(I am not saying that Islaam forbids killing, but we are taking each religion at a time).
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There have been many outrageous sins committed by Catholic over the centuries including all the way up to Popes. Some Popes have committed the most outrageous sins. The sins are not developed from the moral code but an example of the breaking of the moral code. To compare religions, we need to compare the moral codes.
 
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jello:
Well, the title of the book is simply to demostrate what the author believes constituted an important part of his decision to enter Islaam, and that Jesus is not negatively seen by Muslims.
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Yes, but that is where your logic breaks apart. Jesus was either precisely who he said he was, or he was insane–or worse, as the Pharisees claimed when He healed the sick on the Sabbath. You can’t have it both ways. If you don’t call Christ the Savior and the Son of God, then who was He? A good man, or a simple prophet, Muslims may say. As a writer named C.S. Lewis points out in Mere Christianity (I think), that option is not open to you–based on what Jesus said himself. Logic dictates that He was either who He said He was exactly, or He was something altogether different. Since an insane or evil man could not makle the wise and enlightened statements He made, we are left with only one choice to make… Christ was the Son of God.

Another point… Romans 3:23 reminds all of us that we are all sinners. Don’t say that your feelings were hurt by bad Catholics, so you left the faith. That is your error. The Church on earth is made up of fallen people. They are not Him who could save you. Judge the Church not by a few rotten apples, but by the fullness of faith represented there and no where else on this planet.
 
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Yes, but that is where your logic breaks apart. Jesus was either precisely who he said he was, or he was insane–or worse, as the Pharisees claimed when He healed the sick on the Sabbath. You can’t have it both ways. If you don’t call Christ the Savior and the Son of God, then who was He? A good man, or a simple prophet, Muslims may say. As a writer named C.S. Lewis points out in Mere Christianity (I think), that option is not open to you–based on what Jesus said himself. Logic dictates that He was either who He said He was exactly, or He was something altogether different. Since an insane or evil man could not makle the wise and enlightened statements He made, we are left with only one choice to make… Christ was the Son of God.

Another point… Romans 3:23 reminds all of us that we are all sinners. Don’t say that your feelings were hurt by bad Catholics, so you left the faith. That is your error. The Church on earth is made up of fallen people. They are not Him who could save you. Judge the Church not by a few rotten apples, but by the fullness of faith represented there and no where else on this planet.
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Exactly. He said:

(John 14:6) Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Either he was a prophet and telling the truth or he was lying. You can’t have it both ways.
 
Hello again,

As I explained earlier, all the major world religions will eventually have to depend on very fallible, ordinary men in order to interpret the works and sayings of the Prophets, etc.

I know the Christians may say that my judgement is incorrect because true Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, but how many Christians (Catholics only even) speak about being divinely inspired, yet it is impossible from an objective viewpoint for all of them to be divinely inspired.
 
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jello:
Hello again,

As I explained earlier, all the major world religions will eventually have to depend on very fallible, ordinary men in order to interpret the works and sayings of the Prophets, etc.

I know the Christians may say that my judgement is incorrect because true Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, but how many Christians (Catholics only even) speak about being divinely inspired, yet it is impossible from an objective viewpoint for all of them to be divinely inspired.
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Why would you say something is impossible for God? As Catholics we know that God has sent his Holy Spirit, the third person in the Trinity, to guide his church. Thus, it will not err.
 
I am not saying it is impossible in the normal terms, but that when analyzed, it is simply not up to the standards of simple logic that all Catholic claims in this respect would be true.
 
Hi Jello,

Gee, thanks! You reminded me to go buy some Jell-O at the store!😉

My question is, is that your own website that you left for us to look at?
 
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jello:
I am not saying it is impossible in the normal terms, but that when analyzed, it is simply not up to the standards of simple logic that all Catholic claims in this respect would be true.
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We’ll if you look at the results. After 2000 years the Catholic Church still maintains the Truth in it’s full teaching from Jesus Christ. There has been no error. That can’t be a result of just human efforts.
 
Hello Paris Bleus,

Yes, the site is mine, although the book was written by my father…
 
Hello again,

If there was no error at all during the 2000 years, there would be no need for the Catholic Church to apologize for errors commited in the past, because then all its actions would be inspired by the Holy Ghost.
 
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jello:
Hello again,

If there was no error at all during the 2000 years, there would be no need for the Catholic Church to apologize for errors commited in the past, because then all its actions would be inspired by the Holy Ghost.
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Once again you are confusing the errors in doctrine and errors of individuals to live up to that doctrine. - Peace.
 
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We are back to the first issue again: Who determines the doctrine of the Catholic Church ???
 
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We are back to the first issue again: Who determines the doctrine of the Catholic Church ???
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Catholics will reply, the Trinity (God in His three persons) determines the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Non-Catholics are, by definition, skeptical.

More important questions are, what is the doctrine of the Catholic Church and how does it compares to the doctrines of other religions, sects and denominations.
 
Hello again

Well, obviously the Catholics will say that the Trinity is the one leading them to take the correct doctrinal decisions each time, but it would amaze us how the same people who are “divinely guided” at one point can make such huge mistakes time and again…
 
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jello:
Hello again

Well, obviously the Catholics will say that the Trinity is the one leading them to take the correct doctrinal decisions each time, but it would amaze us how the same people who are “divinely guided” at one point can make such huge mistakes time and again…
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Hi Jello,

You seem to have a few different questions:
  1. On infallible teaching versus sinful behavior:
    catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp
  2. On proving inspiration and Christ’s identity:
    catholic.com/library/Proving_Inspiration.asp
    geocities.com/thecatholicconvert/staplessolascriptura.html
    peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm
    peterkreeft.com/topics-more/bible_myth-history.htm
I hope that helps.👋
 
Hello again,

It was mentioned in the first article that:

The truly remarkable thing is the great degree of sanctity found in the papacy throughout history; the “bad popes” stand out precisely because they are so rare.

This is an issue about which we could disagree… According to my view, each and every Pope has commited and commits ghastly errors that cannot be explained simply by saying that they are not “infallible” at all times, or that they “may” commit errors.
 
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jello:
Hello again,

It was mentioned in the first article that:

The truly remarkable thing is the great degree of sanctity found in the papacy throughout history; the “bad popes” stand out precisely because they are so rare.

This is an issue about which we could disagree… According to my view, each and every Pope has commited and commits ghastly errors that cannot be explained simply by saying that they are not “infallible” at all times, or that they “may” commit errors.
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I believe you are still confused. The articles posted are intended for non-Catholic Christians which understand the difference between dogma and individual failures to live up to the dogma.

If you compare the moral code taught by Christ and the moral code taught by Mohamed which do you think is perfection and which falls short of perfection?
 
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