Help an atheist? Please?

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Math is objective? You must be a scientist 😉
“Objective” is something that can be verified regardless of biases. Dont you think thats true in Mathematics?

While “subjective” is something that is merely a matter of opinion. You need to be biased for it to find it agreeable. That is true of religious doctrines.
 
How also about John Paul II’s text titled Faith and Reason? Since you’re interested in the Truth with a capital T, that could be reached through reason. I don’t remember whether it’s an encyclical or an apostolic letter, but I think it will interest you. God bless you!
 
its ridiculous to compare math to religious doctrines. :rolleyes:

math is objective. doctrines are subjective.
This isn’t true. God is God, or not. God is love, or not. God said, “Do this,” or else He didn’t. These aren’t “subjective” things - they’re either true, or not true, and how we feel, whether we want to believe them, or not, or our personal experiences of life, have nothing at all to do with whether they’re actually true or not. They remain true, even if there is no one around to believe them.
 
This isn’t true. God is God, or not. God is love, or not. God said, “Do this,” or else He didn’t. These aren’t “subjective” things - they’re either true, or not true, and how we feel, whether we want to believe them, or not, or our personal experiences of life, have nothing at all to do with whether they’re actually true or not. They remain true, even if there is no one around to believe them.
There is no verifiable evidence for the existence of god, so every detail about him is subjective.
 
There is no verifiable evidence for the existence of god, so every detail about him is subjective.
The fact that you can’t find verifiable evidence doesn’t suddenly mean that the existence of God depends on people’s feelings. God exists and will continue to exist even if nobody on earth can find any evidence for Him, or believes in Him at all.

2+2 always equalled 4, even before there was anybody around who wanted to count things, and it’s the same with God - God exists even if nobody believes in Him.
 
As a person who has studied a good deal of math and science, I can relate. I have beel blessed (or cursed) with an amazing ability to compartmentalize my faith. IN other words, the science of the universe does not challenge my Catholic Faith as they are two different things. Science cannot tell me HOW it was created, but how it opperates now.

Anyway, I would suggest Chesterton. You should look at The Everlasting Man and Orthodoxy. He was an atheist who made the journey. His writing can be verbose at times, but he is very clear in his logic.
 
The fact that you can’t find verifiable evidence doesn’t suddenly mean that the existence of God depends on people’s feelings. God exists and will continue to exist even if nobody on earth can find any evidence for Him, or believes in Him at all.
If God exists. If not, then what?
 
Hello! I’m here because I’m an atheist who has been reading too many things I shouldn’t have been, from CS Lewis to St Aquinas to Solokowski to the Catechism, and I’m now forced to wonder about becoming Catholic.

However, my life-long stances have been empiricist, materialist, positivist, and etc. I’m a very math/science person, who could until recently only stand very difficult, math/logic-heavy analytic philosophy. I’d like to be able to intellectually justify my potential Faith, and I know there have been many throughout history who have gone down the same road. However, my upbringing was not Catholic, and so I am unfamiliar with them.

Are there any philosophically-minded folks here, who could perhaps direct me to these readings, and help me learn how these intellectual hurdles are overcome? While I’d likely convert to Catholicism before solving these dilemmas (considering they haven’t, to my knowledge, ever been solved), I’d be most grateful if I could figure this out sooner rather than later.

Thanks!
There are many people on CAF that are highly intellectual and can answer your many questions. One man you may want to research and speak with is Dr. Scott Hahn, a Protestant turned Catholic convert. An exceptionally popular speaker and teacher. Dr. Hahn has delivered numerous talks nationally and internationally on a wide variety of topics related to Scripture and the Catholic faith.
Hundreds of these talks have been produced on audio and videotapes.
He is currently a professor of Theology and Scripture at Franciscan University of Steubenville.
Dr. Hahn received his Bachelor of Arts with a triple-major in Theology, Philosophy and Economics as well as his Master of Divinity and his PH.D in Biblical Theology.

He entered the Catholic church Easter vigil, 1986.

E-mail is office@scotthahn.com
 
If God exists. If not, then what?
Then neither does anything else, since our existence depends upon God to continually hold us in existence. If God were to ever stop thinking about you, even for a nanosecond, you would cease ever to have existed.
 
Your opinion that faith and reason are opposed, is subjective.
They actually complement each other. As for phoney science which takes an unproven theory for an absolute fact, I certainly have a problem with that kind!
 
Peter Kreeft is the way to go. He’s a world class philosopher, good Catholic Apologist too. He’s written like close to 50 books. On the existence of God, I’d read a newer book of his called “Because God is Real: Sixteen Questions, One Answer”, for the Catholic faith read “Fundamentals of the Faith”, and then “Catholic Christianity”

Scott Hahn is coming out with a new book called “Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins’ Case Against God.” And Scott Hahn also has a great book (of many) about the Catholic faith called “Reasons to Beleive”

If you want to remain an Atheist, don’t read any of these books.
 
Mortimer J. Adler, “How to Think About God.”

Serious philosophy.
 
Hello Minerva!

You sound very similar to me! I am a mathematician with a background in analytic philosophy, as well as that other, often less amiable, sort…

I was an atheist for about ten years, before one day thinking about the original apostles and their martyrdom, as well as pentecost, and suddenly was given the grace of faith. This was a little over a year ago, and I finally entered the Church this Easter. I know exactly what you are going through! Reading Plantinga is the right way to go. He is of course not Catholic, but Calvinist. However, he made a huge impact on analytically-minded Christian philosophers in the last century, and continues to do so today. His classic works are great: God and Other Minds, The Nature of Necessity, etc. If you don’t already have it, I cannot recommend highly enough an anthology of articles he has written called The Analytic Theist. In that, you will find the rudiments of all the ideas that are going through your head now. After reading that I realized that I didn’t need to drop my analytic style because the mothod itself was no threat to my faith. Historically, the articles did the same for many practicing Christian philosophers who read them originally. Also, remember that positivism qua logical positivism is no longer taken seriously by analytic philosophers for very good reason. Quine was largely responsible for dismantling their verificationist theory of meaning, etc.

Aquinas, et al. are always a wonderful resource, but I would actually (for you) recommend reading Plantinga, maybe Swinburne, etc., before going straight to Aquinas. While Aquinas is, of course, thoroughly logical and brilliant, the logic is not the same kind that we are used to in modern math, or even necessarily in analytic philosophy. Also, there are some excellent books on Thomism that I think you would enjoy. First, Analytical Thomism, which is a movement in analytic philosophy which reads Thomas analytically. It’s clear that if Thomas were alive today, he would at the very least engage with analytics, and would likely be one himself. Also, Twentieth Century Thomism is very interesting. I can’t recall the authors at the moment, but you can google the books, or go to amazon.

Finally, always read JPII’s encyclicals, as well as Benedict’s encyclicals and other books. Read the Church Fathers, other spiritual writers like Mother Teresa, Saint Therese of Liseaux, etc. etc. One phenomenal thing that I have found about faith is that when you engage it, you realize that it is a kind of knowledge. After, essentially, a lifetime of atheism, I now know that God exists every bit as well as I know that my fiancee loves me, that I can count on my parents for support, that my friends will be there for me, because God is doing and has done, and indeed has always done, those things for me, even before I knew it. When I pray, I know that I was praying to Him, and I know that He heard me, and I know that He responded or will respond in the future, and that I will hear Him, and know Him more deeply. I know that He loves me and everyone more than I or anyone can even comprehend. I know this becuse I experience it every day.

Lastly, don’t let Mass creep you out. It’s the way that Christ has been worshipped since the beginning and it only appears strange to you because the secular culture in which we live is blind to the Mass and can never approach its deep mysteries and saving graces. The sacraments are a gift for us, from God. God bless you on your journey. Please keep in touch!

Jon
 
I do agree with Righteousone, Jon. Thank you so much for your (name removed by moderator)ut! God bless you and the ones you love! 👍
 
Your opinion that faith and reason are opposed, is subjective.
Thats not my opinion. You misunderstood my signature.

Try replacing ‘religion’ with a specific religion and see if you disagree…

God gave us reason, not Islam.

God gave us reason, not Wicca.

God gave us reason, not Scientology.

God gave us reason, not Hinduism.

I merely included your religion along with that list:

God gave us reason, not Catholicism.
 
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