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What part of the catechism does this contradict? If you are going to help us, you can’t just make blanket, unexplained statements like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul c
if you are not predisposed to the graces , they won’t do you any good.
Let me give you my understanding more specifically, and then perhaps you can enlightenment me on where I am going wrong.
These were the words of my DRE on the question:
- Man has free will and can choose to cooperate with the graces given him or not,
- If man chooses not to cooperate with grace and never repents, he will be condemned
- To facilitate man choosing to cooperate with grace, he must be trained in the faith to fully understand his obligations and the ramifications if he fails to meet them
- This training can and should occur both before and after confirmation
- The timing of confirmation is a pastoral issue focused on how best to provide that training.
→ Some bishops believe that delaying confirmation to the teen years allow them more time to prepare the candidates to accept the graces provided in the sacrament. Part of this involves the continued motivation of the candidates to seek training.
From how it sounds, your own bishop shares this view. Remember, this is a consideration of church practice, not doctrine. Church practices can and must be changed with the situation to help in the salvation of the members fo the church.I agree that the Sacrament of Confirmation can be received at the age of reason if the child comes from a family where the faith is lived. In such circumstances, the child will always be learning the faith from lived experience and the parish will be building on this experiential education by teaching formal doctrine. There are pastoral reasons for delaying the reception of the sacrament. The context of modern culture and its characteristic pervasive practical atheism is a large factor in this consideration.
→ The alternative view that you espouse is that confirmation should be administered as soon as practically possible to arm the candidate with the fullness of grace. This is clearly a minority view in the church today. Why do you think that is the case?
Which documents does it contradict? Canon law allows confirmations to be delayed until age 16, does it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul c
Her strong position is that we need later confirmations because most students need more time to be properly prepared
It did indeed. I am taking your point of view very seriously and have done many hours of research and had a long discussion with my DRE, who I truly respect on the subject. Because of this discussion, I will alter how I approach the confirmandi in the following way:I hope at least this has given you some food for thought on what and how you present Confirmation to your students.
I will no longer tell them that they are making the choice to be Catholic and will emphasize the fact that they were Catholic on the day of their baptism. I will tell them that they are making the choice to accept the graces associated with confirmation: the gifts of the holy spirit. I will further press on the free will point: that they have the choice to cooperate with these graces and be saved or to deny them and be condemned. And I will make the further point that the reason that they are being offered this sacrament as a teenager and not a 7 year old is so that they can fully understand how to use these graces to live out the faith before accepting them.
Now, let me ask you a question. Why are you so vigorous on the order of confirmation when the vast majority of US bishops, including your own, obviously feel that delaying confirmation makes more pastoral sense? What do you know that they don’t?