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Natey93
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What is the difference between Coptic Catholics and Rooman Catholics.
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Please post a link with more information
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Jessup
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I have no idea personally but the Coptics just bought a whole Holiday inn here on the space coast. Then they converted it into a retreat center.
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Jehoshua
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Sorry no link, but a quick search of the internet isn;t too much to ask i don;t think.
Anyways Coptic catholics are basically one of the eastern rites of the church that follow the alexandrine liturgical rite the same as the coptic orthodox. They resulted from a coptic bishop in Jerusalem who joined the Church. He later de-converted but some of his followers remained and thus continued the coptic catholic church.
the term “roman catholics” is often used to refer to the whole church, but more specifically it refers to practitioners of the predominant particular church within the Catholic Church which is the Latin Rite (also known as the latin church) which forms the majority of the demographic number of catholics throughout the world.
The difference between the coptic catholics and coptic orthodox aside from the obvious communion with rome thing is that coptic catholics accept the theology in its entirety of the catholic church. Whereas the Coptic Orthodox hold to a miaphysite christology held in common between them and the rest of the oriental orthodox who schismed from the Church after rejecting the conclusions of the council of Chalcedon.
Anyways Coptic catholics are basically one of the eastern rites of the church that follow the alexandrine liturgical rite the same as the coptic orthodox. They resulted from a coptic bishop in Jerusalem who joined the Church. He later de-converted but some of his followers remained and thus continued the coptic catholic church.
the term “roman catholics” is often used to refer to the whole church, but more specifically it refers to practitioners of the predominant particular church within the Catholic Church which is the Latin Rite (also known as the latin church) which forms the majority of the demographic number of catholics throughout the world.
The difference between the coptic catholics and coptic orthodox aside from the obvious communion with rome thing is that coptic catholics accept the theology in its entirety of the catholic church. Whereas the Coptic Orthodox hold to a miaphysite christology held in common between them and the rest of the oriental orthodox who schismed from the Church after rejecting the conclusions of the council of Chalcedon.
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promethius
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The term “Roman Catholic” is, historically, born of an insult to Catholics of the Latin Rite, who were deemed to be “romish”. It is just an insult which faded into obscurity by the fact that Catholics took the name on for themselves. Properly speaking, however, there is ONE Church, of which ONE charateristic is that it is Catholic (Universal).What is the difference between Coptic Catholics and Rooman Catholics.
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The Latin Rite is the most populated rite of the church, and is the one that most people think of when they hear the term “Catholic”, but this is not so. The church is actually composed of 7 major rites, which are further broken down into minor rites. These rites are fully in keeping with the Bishop of Rome and affirm all the doctrine of the Catholic church. Where they vary lies in the specific form that they practice certain rites, sacraments, or the mass itself. A brief description of the eastern rites, including those in Schism (orthodox) and those in union with the Church, can be found here:
newadvent.org/cathen/05230a.htm
A description of the Latin Rite (western Church) can be found here:
newadvent.org/cathen/09022a.htm
And a general description of what a Rite is can be found here:
newadvent.org/cathen/13064b.htm
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Dale_M
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As Jehoshua mentioned, the Coptic Catholic Church is a splinter which broke from the Coptic Orthodox Church and reunited with Rome. The Coptic Orthodox broke from the universal church in 451 AD when it (and the other Oriental Orthodox churches) rejected the Council of Chalcedon. Please note that the Oriental Orthodox churches (non-Chalcedon) are not to be confused with the Eastern Orthodox churches, which didn’t break with Rome until 1054.
The Coptic Catholic Church is in full communion with Rome. Pope Leo XIII established a patriarchate of the Coptic rite in 1895. The Church now has 163,000 followers.
cnewa.us/default.aspx?ID=63&IndexView&pagetypeID=9&sitecode=US&pageno=1
cnewa.org/source-images/Roberson-eastcath-statistics/eastcatholic-stat10.pdf
Because it is considered one of the Eastern Catholic Churches, Natey, you might want to ask your question in that forum. The people there are likely to have more in-depth knowledge.
forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=119
The Coptic Catholic Church is in full communion with Rome. Pope Leo XIII established a patriarchate of the Coptic rite in 1895. The Church now has 163,000 followers.
cnewa.us/default.aspx?ID=63&IndexView&pagetypeID=9&sitecode=US&pageno=1
cnewa.org/source-images/Roberson-eastcath-statistics/eastcatholic-stat10.pdf
Because it is considered one of the Eastern Catholic Churches, Natey, you might want to ask your question in that forum. The people there are likely to have more in-depth knowledge.
forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=119
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cooterhein
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The Coptic Orthodox Church split from Rome in the fifth century. There’s 57 million Coptic Orthodox Christians worldwide. They continue to represent 95% of Christianity in Egypt.
The Coptic Catholic Church represents around 200,000 Coptic Christians (mostly in Egypt) that have returned to full communion with Rome. This has happened in just the last couple of centuries.
There were a number of false starts and bumps in the road along the way for the Coptic Catholic Church. (Remember that this all happened no earlier than the 18th century, even though many of these people took names that are more readily associated with a much earlier time).
In 1741, a Coptic bishop from Jerusalem named Ambad Athanasius became Catholic and brought about 2,000 people with him. He later reverted to Orthodoxy, but his Catholic office of Vicar Apostolic stayed put. (Not to be confused with a more famous Athanasius, who lived in Egypt but pre-dated the Coptic schism).
In the 1820’s, a Coptic Catholic Patriarchate was established in Egypt. At the beginning of this decade, it was on paper only, but by the end, Coptic Catholic churches were actually being built. This process faced an uphill battle (as most things Christian do in Egypt) because of the Ottoman authorities.
At the end of the 19th century (right around the turn of the 20th), the Coptic Catholic Patriarchate in Egypt had to be re-established. Bishop Cyril Makarios became Cyril II, he resigned in 1908, and the position remained vacant until 1947.
The Coptic Catholic church now has a bit more stability in its leadership and succession, but this has only happened in the last couple of generations. Copts, whether Catholic or Orthodox, join the Ethiopian Christians in practicing the Alexandrian rite. Coptic Catholics do have some Roman influence in what they do, though, while the Coptic Orthodox have little to none. The Alexandrian rite is divided into the Coptic rite (Egypt) and the Ge’ez rite (Ethiopia).
This thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=364416 has quite a few links on the Alexandrian rite. Those contributions were made in August of '09, but as I’m posting this, the senior member who contributed to that thread is online. So that’s one currently active member that you can track down. Click on that name (or the name of anyone else who seems helpful), look up recent posts, and see if they’ve been active lately. If you see plenty of recent activity in the Eastern Catholicism sub-forum, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to strike up a bit of correspondence with these kinds of people. Go to that sub-forum, start another thread, maybe change the wording a little if that will help, and start making mental notes of who can help you the most right now. They’ll probably contribute something to the new thread on their own, but it helps if you already know who’s currently active along with being knowledgeable in this area. You’ll be able to look for them and pursue more information from these specific people because you’ll know they have it.
The Coptic Catholic Church represents around 200,000 Coptic Christians (mostly in Egypt) that have returned to full communion with Rome. This has happened in just the last couple of centuries.
There were a number of false starts and bumps in the road along the way for the Coptic Catholic Church. (Remember that this all happened no earlier than the 18th century, even though many of these people took names that are more readily associated with a much earlier time).
In 1741, a Coptic bishop from Jerusalem named Ambad Athanasius became Catholic and brought about 2,000 people with him. He later reverted to Orthodoxy, but his Catholic office of Vicar Apostolic stayed put. (Not to be confused with a more famous Athanasius, who lived in Egypt but pre-dated the Coptic schism).
In the 1820’s, a Coptic Catholic Patriarchate was established in Egypt. At the beginning of this decade, it was on paper only, but by the end, Coptic Catholic churches were actually being built. This process faced an uphill battle (as most things Christian do in Egypt) because of the Ottoman authorities.
At the end of the 19th century (right around the turn of the 20th), the Coptic Catholic Patriarchate in Egypt had to be re-established. Bishop Cyril Makarios became Cyril II, he resigned in 1908, and the position remained vacant until 1947.
The Coptic Catholic church now has a bit more stability in its leadership and succession, but this has only happened in the last couple of generations. Copts, whether Catholic or Orthodox, join the Ethiopian Christians in practicing the Alexandrian rite. Coptic Catholics do have some Roman influence in what they do, though, while the Coptic Orthodox have little to none. The Alexandrian rite is divided into the Coptic rite (Egypt) and the Ge’ez rite (Ethiopia).
This thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=364416 has quite a few links on the Alexandrian rite. Those contributions were made in August of '09, but as I’m posting this, the senior member who contributed to that thread is online. So that’s one currently active member that you can track down. Click on that name (or the name of anyone else who seems helpful), look up recent posts, and see if they’ve been active lately. If you see plenty of recent activity in the Eastern Catholicism sub-forum, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to strike up a bit of correspondence with these kinds of people. Go to that sub-forum, start another thread, maybe change the wording a little if that will help, and start making mental notes of who can help you the most right now. They’ll probably contribute something to the new thread on their own, but it helps if you already know who’s currently active along with being knowledgeable in this area. You’ll be able to look for them and pursue more information from these specific people because you’ll know they have it.
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dzheremi
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What? Where did you get this number? This would put them at well over 50% of all Egyptians, taking into account the ~4 million diaspora (Egypt’s population is about 80 million).
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Jehoshua
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From my observations the number of adherents of the coptic orthodox church are anywhere between 12 - 20 million depending on who’s talking. Obviously in Egypt the situation is very politicised and thus government statistics are generally below those of foreign observers and that of the coptic church itself.
Perhaps the 57 million population estimate was of the entire Oriental Orthodox Church (non-chalcedonian church) which includes the the coptic orthodox along with others such as the armenian apostolic, the ethiopian and eritrean tawahedo orthodox churches and the syriac orthodox church.
Perhaps the 57 million population estimate was of the entire Oriental Orthodox Church (non-chalcedonian church) which includes the the coptic orthodox along with others such as the armenian apostolic, the ethiopian and eritrean tawahedo orthodox churches and the syriac orthodox church.
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Natey93
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Thank you for all the information. It helps alot.
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