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Again, evidence: no. Assumptions: yes. If you read Blessed Anne Emmerich’s Biblical Revelations, it was not revealed to her that everything evolved from one organism. It was revealed to her the typical, literal, Genesis story. There would be no reason for everything to take millions of years to evolve; God wouldn’t do that because it would be a waste of time. It would make far more sense to create all at once. He is a logical God.
 
Just read it. If you look, it says days. This is why we work six days and rest one, because God created the earth in seven days.

From the article:
The Bible goes through a genealogy from Adam through Seth to Noah to Abraham, through the House of David and ultimately to Jesus and Mary to verify their lineage. These “begats” are boring but important. If one does simple arithmetic and adds up the ages of the patriarchs from Adam to Jesus it comes to around 4000 years. Jesus to the present is another 2000 plus years. Voila! A six thousand year history. Now the Catholic Church has never, repeat never, denied the begats. They would be denying Christ’s very ancestry. St. Paul calls Christ the last Adam – 1 Corinthians 15:45.
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Of the 43 early Church Fathers starting with St. Justin Martyr (100-165AD) and ending with St. Lawrence of Brindisi (1559-1619AD); all believed in a young earth/universe, a recent creation, and the worldwide Deluge of Noah.
 
Check with NASA.

They have a space telescope in orbit right now.

It looks OUTWARD.

The Hubble … it’s up about 353 miles … when they had a problem, they were able to send a Space Shuttle crew out there to fix it … :


And they plan to launch a newer bigger telescope, the Webb telescope next year.

www.nasa.gov

James Webb Space Telescope - NASA Science

Space Telescope
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The Webb telescope will be out one million miles. Big deal.

It’s of interest because the Webb telescope may be able to see far enough back, even with the speed of light, maybe can see “the big bang”.

It’s worth checking out.

Where astrophysics intersects with ? theology?

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Solar System Exploration - NASA Science

The solar system has one star, eight planets, five dwarf planets, at least 290 moons, more than 1.3 million asteroids, and about 3,900 comets.
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You understand the senses of Scripture, right? Also, that the Bible is not a scientific text book, right?

The is no doctrinal teaching that a “day” in Genesis is a 24 lunar hour period.

The Early Fathers you list did not have the scientific knowledge that we have today.

Seems your quote above was lifted from this blog https://www.sign.org/articles/adam-the-pope-and-me You do realize that site contains teachings that are not in harmony with the Vatican, right?
 
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So basically the Bible is only metaphorical? It seems that anyone who tries to refute the truth of Biblical events immediately resorts to that sort of stance.

There is also no doctrinal teaching on evolution.

That does not mean the early Fathers are wrong. I don’t understand why anyone would rather trust modern atheist evolutionists than our own Catholic Church Fathers and saints.

A site that discusses Catholic teachings on the saints and praying…not sure how that makes it not Catholic.

To think that we evolved from animals is a position I will not understand, especially since we have souls and animals do not.

You know what, since this seems to be a matter of opinion and not doctrinal, it seems kind of pointless to argue. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that there isn’t enough evidence for either position to come to any solution. God bless you and have a good day.
 
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Read Hutchinson’s book … new book.

Yesterday, I started reading “Searching for Jesus” by Robert J. Hutchinson.

Subtitle: “New Discoveries in the Quest for Jesus of Nazareth — And How They Confirm the Gospel Accounts”.

It is extremely illuminating in terms of how the latest biblical and archeological discoveries confirm our original doctrinal beliefs.

Worth checking out.
 
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Of the 43 early Church Fathers starting with St. Justin Martyr (100-165AD) and ending with St. Lawrence of Brindisi (1559-1619AD); all believed in a young earth/universe, a recent creation, and the worldwide Deluge of Noah.
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Which of these had a considerable weight of evidence to the contrary that they needed to ignore or consider erroneous in holding to their view?
 
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It is extremely illuminating in terms of how the latest biblical and archeological discoveries confirm our original doctrinal beliefs.
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Which specific beliefs have archaeological discoveries confirmed ?
 
It is not an “Atheist Evolution” vs “Christian Young Earth” debate.

Many many many Christians accept that God created everything from nothing - know colloquially as “The Big Bang” and from that creation all of the matter for everything came into being. God set forth a universe ruled by laws of science.

At some point in creation, God created our first parents - Adam and Eve.

Those are the two doctrines which we hold.

That website, as soon as I saw the support for unapproved apparitions that was all I needed to see.
 
If you do not want to buy the book, visit Amazon and read the reviews.

Here is the blurb:

Searching for Jesus: In this exhaustively researched new life of Jesus, award-winning writer Robert J. Hutchinson argues that Jesus was not an “apocalyptic prophet” who thought the world was about to end. Jesus was not a “zealot” revolutionary who wanted to kill the Romans. Jesus was not a Greek Cynic philosopher. Jesus was not an orthodox rabbi who accidentally got himself killed by causing a disturbance in the Temple. Jesus was not a world-hating Gnostic. Jesus was not a delusional fanatic who tricked his followers into following him.

Instead, Jesus was just as the Gospels describe him: a fiery, courageous, charismatic populist who drew crowds by the tens of thousands and electrified all of Palestine with his strange and exhilarating announcement of God’s kingdom in their midst. Jesus reached out to the most wretched and despised people in society – the demon-possessed, the deformed, those afflicted with horrible contagious diseases, prostitutes, even soldiers of an occupation army. Hutchinson shows that many of the negative ideas about Jesus paraded in the media every Christmas and Easter are increasingly obsolete. These obsolete portraits of Jesus, the author says, are based on assumptions, theories and unproven hypotheses that are more than a century old and that have been discredited by more recent research.

Written for skeptics and believers alike, Searching for Jesus reveals how the Gospels are truer than many people have been led to believe. He asks the question: “What if everything the Gospels say about Jesus… his words, his deeds, his plans… actually turn out to be… true?”
 
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I don’t understand why anyone would rather trust modern atheist evolutionists than our own Catholic Church Fathers and saints.
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Why throw mud by presuming atheism? People are curious by nature - a god given nature. We enquire into how things came to be. What things were like in the past. We discover a means to gauge age. It tells us that life has existed for a very long time. Much longer than Glark’s 5778 years. You would have us believe that this work was done to pursue an atheistic aim AND all the work is erroneous (whether innocently so or fraudulently so, you don’t comment).
 
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm#115

The senses of Scripture

115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”

117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
  1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism.
  2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written “for our instruction”.
  3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, “leading”). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.
118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:

The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.

119 “It is the task of exegetes to work, according to these rules, towards a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture in order that their research may help the Church to form a firmer judgment. For, of course, all that has been said about the manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgment of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God.”
But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.
 
More recently, there has been a “development of skepticism” of some sort.

For example, when Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fishes, more recently “skeptics” INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY CATHOLICS have been given to say that JESUS DID NOT PERFORM A MIRACLE … but rather than He inspired the members of the crowd to share with others.

However, the current scholars such as Hutchinson have revisited the texts and the geographical scene … and come to the conclusion that JESUS PERFORMED A MIRACLE. And based on a detailed translational analysis, they now believe that Jesus performed MANY such miracles.

Read Hutchinson’s book.
 
MonteRCMS said:
For example, when Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fishes, more recently “skeptics” INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY CATHOLICS have been given to say that JESUS DID NOT PERFORM A MIRACLE
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I don’t see any necessary connection ( or conflict) between scientifically uncovered evidence and the question of was this or that a miracle. Difficulties arise for persons who see God located in various (and numerous) gaps in our understanding. I’ve no reason to doubt miracles nominated in Scripture.
 
Maybe we should give up writing.

After all, everything we need to know has already been written.

So, why are you here on this Web site?
 
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