HELP! Defending Masculinity of God with stupid Liberal Professor!

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phil8888 said:
He is our literal father. Our earthly fathers are metaphors of God’s fatherhood.

God is masculine in the sense that he “impregnates” the universe with love and grace.
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As has been repeatedly stated on this thread, the Church teaches that God is neither masculine nor feminine.
 
phil8888 said:
He is our literal father. Our earthly fathers are metaphors of God’s fatherhood.

God is masculine in the sense that he “impregnates” the universe with love and grace.
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That would make the universe our mother and since He created the universe a type of incest. ewwwww
 
phil8888 said:
He is our literal father. Our earthly fathers are metaphors of God’s fatherhood.

God is masculine in the sense that he “impregnates” the universe with love and grace.
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“impregnates” is simply a metaphor. Creativity is not confined to males. Even procreation is not the monopoly of the man. Both parents are equally important and necessary - and neither is more similar to God than the other.

The closest analogy to the Blessed Trinity is not the father but the father, mother and child. It is arbitrary to select fatherhood as the defining characteristic of God rather than motherhood or childhood. It is just as arbitrary to regard the Holy Spirit as the Mother. The father, mother and child all reflect the divine Community which transcends sexuality.
 
tonyrey said:
“impregnates” is simply a metaphor. Creativity is not confined to males. Even procreation is not the monopoly of the man. Both parents are equally important and necessary - and neither is more similar to God than the other.

The closest analogy to the Blessed Trinity is not the father but the father, mother and child. It is arbitrary to select fatherhood as the defining characteristic of God rather than motherhood or childhood. It is just as arbitrary to regard the Holy Spirit as the Mother. The father, mother and child all reflect the divine Community which transcends sexuality.
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I think you should read Peter Kreeft’s treatment of this. he explains sexual symbolism and why we refer to God as “he”, and that includes God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
 
ronnie_bonigli said:
The more I see of your posts on this thread, the more I wonder if you have any basic understanding of the Catholic faith. You’ve posted a couple of times now as if Jesus’s mission was to teach. That’s not the reason he came, according to the Catholic faith.
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Agreed. And more disturbing, it seems that Tony is content to just carry on with a monologue of his erroneous views instead of actually responding when his views are challenged. (And no, spewing irrelevant ad hominem nonsense does not count as ‘responding’ in the relevant sense.)
 
Betterave said:
Agreed. And more disturbing, it seems that Tony is content to just carry on with a monologue of his erroneous views instead of actually responding when his views are challenged. (And no, spewing irrelevant ad hominem nonsense does not count as ‘responding’ in the relevant sense.)
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He seems to think it’s perfectly fine to refer to the first person in he Blessed Trinity as “Mother” and “She”, and he also appears to think the mission of Christ was to “teach”. Whatever you want to call it, it isn’t the Catholic faith. Sounds more like a new age version of Christianity.
 
This is a little related, but do you ever go to Mass and there are certain people who will not say “he” in reference to God? They will make sure to say “God” each time without using a pronoun. Yesterday, there were a couple of ladies behind me at Mass, and they always said God instead of he, no matter what, I think even for hymns and everything. What is with this?
 
Betterave said:
Repeatedly stated, and repeatedly corrected. That claim is false.
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When has it been corrected? That God is neither masculine nor feminine is the clear and consistent teaching of the Church. Read the catechism:
370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.
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ronnie_bonigli said:
He seems to think it’s perfectly fine to refer to the first person in he Blessed Trinity as “Mother” and “She”, and he also appears to think the mission of Christ was to “teach”. Whatever you want to call it, it isn’t the Catholic faith. Sounds more like a new age version of Christianity.
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A complete distortion of my views! Where have I stated it’s perfectly fine to refer to the first person in the Blessed Trinity as “Mother” and “She”? What leads you to surmise that I believe the mission of Christ was to “teach”?

Whatever you want to call it, your insinuation that I’m a heretic isn’t an expression of Christian charity. Sounds more like a new age version of the Holy Inquisition… :rolleyes:
 
ronnie_bonigli said:
The more I see of your posts on this thread, the more I wonder if you have any basic understanding of the Catholic faith. You’ve posted a couple of times now as if Jesus’s mission was to teach. That’s not the reason he came, according to the Catholic faith.
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The more I see of your posts on this thread the more I wonder if you have any basic knowledge of logic! From which of my statements do you deduce that I believe the sole or even the main mission of Jesus was to teach?
 
TMC said:
When has it been corrected? That God is neither masculine nor feminine is the clear and consistent teaching of the Church. Read the catechism:
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Nothing could be clearer than that. Some people are so pig-headed they will never admit they are wrong! 🙂
 
phil8888 said:
This is a little related, but do you ever go to Mass and there are certain people who will not say “he” in reference to God? They will make sure to say “God” each time without using a pronoun. Yesterday, there were a couple of ladies behind me at Mass, and they always said God instead of he, no matter what, I think even for hymns and everything. What is with this?
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They didn’t have the nerve to say “She”! How foolish can people get? 🙂
 
phil8888 said:
“impregnates” is simply a metaphor. Creativity is not confined to males. Even procreation is not the monopoly of the man. Both parents are equally important and necessary - and neither is more similar to God than the other.
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Have you refuted any of my statements? If not you have no valid reason to ignore or reject them…
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phil8888 said:
I think you should read Peter Kreeft’s treatment of this. he explains sexual symbolism and why we refer to God as “he”, and that includes God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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Do you really believe a man reflects the nature of God more than a woman? That view could certainly justify the subjugation of women down the centuries…
 
TMC said:
When has it been corrected? That God is neither masculine nor feminine is the clear and consistent teaching of the Church. Read the catechism:
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370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.

LOL! Can you read, TMC?? The CCC does not say “God is neither masculine nor feminine.” In the passage above it specifically says that being a husband is a reflection of the infinite perfection of God and omits saying that being a wife is - why do you suppose that is??? 🤷

As for Tony, you’re a joke, dude. You not only can’t read, you also apparently can’t answer questions about your imaginative assertions and you seem to think you have no responsibility to do so. You respond to people who are obviously better versed in logic than you with idiotic unfounded attacks on their logical skills, as well as with general character attacks! You can do better than that, Tony; but you need to put some effort in.
 
370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.
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Those who allege that God is masculine never explain exactly why and in what way…
 
Betterave said:
370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.

LOL! Can you read, TMC?? The CCC does not say “God is neither masculine nor feminine.” In the passage above it specifically says that being a husband is a reflection of the infinite perfection of God and omits saying that being a wife is - why do you suppose that is??? 🤷

As for Tony, you’re a joke, dude. You not only can’t read, you also apparently can’t answer questions about your imaginative assertions and you seem to think you have no responsibility to do so. You respond to people who are obviously better versed in logic than you with idiotic unfounded attacks on their logical skills, as well as with general character attacks! You can do better than that, Tony; but you need to put some effort in.
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You are reduced to making ridiculous semantic arguments and to name calling. You can continue to deny and twist Catholic teaching to support your own person world-views, but I don’t have to continue to listen to your illogical and unsupportable rants. Take care.
 
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+Below is the definitive statement from the Vatican clearly delineated for Catholics concerning this grave disordered error/heresy of attempting to redefine the masculine gender of our Holy Triune God in which the** Holy See** clearly denounces this presumptious sin . . . and the Holy See has been very actively fighting against this virulent widespread gross heresy for years . . .

CDF NORMS FOR THE TRANSLATION OF BIBLICAL TEXTS FOR USE IN THE LITURGY

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith [CDF], 1995

[In 1995 the **Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued “secret norms” to the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (of the United States) to guide their revision of the Lectionary used at Mass. Prior to this time the Congregation had rejected two versions of Scripture (the New Revised Standard Version and the Revised New American Bible NAB)) for use in the Liturgy,

**owing to the unacceptable use of inclusive language. **
These norms remained “secret,” even from most bishops, until just prior to the June 1997 meeting of the bishops’ conference. This meeting approved, by subsequent mail ballot, a version of the Lectionary agreed upon by a working committee of Vatican officials and US bishops in March 1997. This Lectionary conforms to the previously issued Norms. …]
  1. The Church must always seek to convey accurately in translation the texts she has inherited from the :bible1: Biblical, liturgical, and patristic tradition and instruct the faithful in their proper meaning.
  2. The first principle with respect to :bible1: Biblical texts is that of fidelity, maximum possible fidelity to the words of the text. Biblical translations should be faithful to the original language and to the internal truth of the inspired text, in such a way as to respect the language used by the human author in order to be understood by his intended reader. Every concept in the original text should be translated in its context. Above all, translations must be faithful to the sense of Sacred :bible1: Scripture understood as a unity and totality, which finds its center in Christ, the Son of God incarnate (cf. “Dei Verbum” III and IV), as confessed in the Creeds of the Church.
  3. The translation of :bible1: Scripture should faithfully reflect the Word of God in the original human languages. It must be listened to in its time-conditioned, at times even inelegant mode of human expression
without “correction” or “improvement” in service of modern sensitivitiesINDENTa) In liturgical translations or readings where the text is very uncertain or in which the meaning is very much disputed, the translation should be made with due regard to the Neo-Vulgate.

b) If explanations are deemed to be pastorally necessary or appropriate, they should be given in editorial notes, commentaries, homilies, etc.

4/l. The natural gender of “personae” in the :bible1: Bible, including the human author of various texts where evident, must not be changed insofar as this is possible in the receptor language.

4/2. The grammatical gender of God, pagan deities, and angels according to the original texts must not be changed insofar as this is possible in the receptor language.

4/3. In fidelity to the inspired Word of God, the traditional :bible1: Biblical usage for naming the persons of the Trinity as Father, Son and Holy Spirit is to be retained.

4/4. Similarly, in keeping with the Church’s tradition, **the feminine and neuter pronouns are NOT to be used **to refer to the person of the Holy Spirit.

4/5. ****There shall be NO ****systematic substitution of the masculine pronoun or possessive adjective to refer to God in correspondence to the original text.

4/6. Kinship terms that are clearly gender specific, as indicated by the context, should be respected in translation.

*To read the rest of the Holy See’s Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith’s publication please cllick on the following link: *

:coffeeread: ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFNORMS.HTM

[Adoremus Bulletin, III, No. 5, July/August 1997]

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