HELP! Defending Masculinity of God with stupid Liberal Professor!

[phil8888]

Thanks for your comments. I once asked a priest - who I must say was so sincere that it would make you cry with embarrassment for ones own inadequacy - about the trinity and just not getting it. He said it is God and thus a mystery. That works for me whether I believe it or not.
I’ll mention a little of the rest later - God willing - but just as a side thought, are we not in a universe of opposites?

Just curious, why as a Muslim, were you asking a priest about the trinity?

 

[JimG]

Well take the idea of God for example. In the Catholic religion there is one God, but there are also three Gods. It doesn’t really make any sense. I am sure there are boat loads of medieval scholastics who’ve written mountainous volumes explaining how that works. But the truth is it really doesn’t make any actual sense to a rational human. But does that mean you need to reject the Catholic God. No. If you are a Catholic you just kind of roll with it.

Sorry, I was just skimming through the thread and happened to notice this. I had to point out that Catholics don’t believe that there are three Gods. Catholics believe that God is three Persons, which is not the same thing at all. Theology is all about making distinctions. Sorry to go off topic.

 

[tonyrey]

Tony is like that with everyone. He often becomes quite belligerent if you ask him to explain his view.

In addition to being false - these statements infringe Forum Rule 1:

“Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language, rude comments and innuendo”.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

This is a little related, but do you ever go to Mass and there are certain people who will not say “he” in reference to God? They will make sure to say “God” each time without using a pronoun. Yesterday, there were a couple of ladies behind me at Mass, and they always said God instead of he, no matter what, I think even for hymns and everything. What is with this?

Wow that is too weird. In what context - Give me an example.

Actually it seems like we say Thy more than He when we do our responses in church.

More like talking directly to Jesus or God the Father.

 

[veritas82]

Just curious, why as a Muslim, were you asking a priest about the trinity?

Its not just a clever name (re: veritas being Latin for truth).
Specifically to this example, I was involved in a TV programme in which I had access to a priest. I used this opportunity to ask him many questions on various things. We’ve remained friends, but he’s often too busy with his ‘wife’ (i.e. the Church)
To be honest though, I would say it is a Muslim’s duty to know things in some detail; seeking knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim from the cradle to the grave. All virtue leads to peace and harmony, and vice leads to war and hatred. Should we wish to live together or work together on a shared project, like changing the abortion laws, then we need to understand each other properly. This doesn’t mean idly flicking through the odd bit of scripture and the odd book, written to make money to fuel the popular mythic drama. It means studying as they do and really getting to the heart of how they see things. Anything other than this would mean having an understanding of an image of that ‘thing,’ which neither the followers adhere to nor neither exists!
I know you meant this question in a nice way but isn’t sad that we should ask? Shouldn’t this sort of situation be the norm and not the exception?

 

[Dale_M]

Wow that is too weird. In what context - Give me an example.

I can offer an example I have often encountered many times

After the Presentation of the Gifts, before the priest consecrates them, the congregation responds:

May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands,
for the praise and glory of his name,
for our good, and the good of all his Church.

Often, I have heard individuals say:

for the praise and glory of God’s name
for our good, and the good of all God’s Church.

 

[MusicforMovies]

I ran into problems in college, also. I kept raising my hand to correct the professor, until he told me to put my hand down – that he was only having fun. The unsophisticated young students never protested. You could always protest to the administration, but changes from them is unlikely. There are too few Catholic colleges that are truly Catholic these days.

The Newman Society Guide to colleges if a helpful place to start in finding an orthodox Catholic college. I’m considering a Master in Theology degree, and I’m very - VERY - picky about where I go.

thenewmanguide.com/TheCatholicColleges/tabid/506/Default.aspx

 

[Waiting]

The Newman Society Guide to colleges if a helpful place to start in finding an orthodox Catholic college. I’m considering a Master in Theology degree, and I’m very - VERY - picky about where I go.

thenewmanguide.com/TheCatholicColleges/tabid/506/Default.aspx

Thank you. I’ll pass this on to my niece who is hoping to enter college this fall.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

I can offer an example I have often encountered many times

After the Presentation of the Gifts, before the priest consecrates them, the congregation responds:

May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands,
for the praise and glory of his name,
for our good, and the good of all his Church.

Often, I have heard individuals say:

for the praise and glory of God’s name
for our good, and the good of all God’s Church.

There have been a number of attempts to “neuter” God.

What you quoted is one of the attempts.

Another is the elimination of the Feast of the Circumcision.

Another is “renaming” God … I forget the exact words: one of them substitutes “Redeemer” … all done quite deliberately.

[That’s probably already been covered in some other post. Sorry. Seems like a lot of high-flown talk is being used to “cut God down to size”.]

 

[Betterave]

In addition to being false - these statements infringe Forum Rule 1:

“Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language, rude comments and innuendo”.

How did my comment infringe the rule?? My comment was purely factual. You can say it wasn’t polite; but it was true, i.e, you are the real rule-breaker when it comes to politeness. I’m just pointing it out after the fact.

 

[Betterave]

I don’t think my statement is a half-truth. Each bit of knowledge that I encounter challenges the way I think about my environment, because the world is truly changed. I now know something I did not. I know think about something in a different way. You might not agree, but your assessment of the “truthfulness” of my situation is offensive and flat-out wrong.

So when you learn to do vector calculus, say (one of the things people learn to do at college), your way of thinking about the world is being “challenged”? That seems simply disingenuous, to call everything about college a “challenge” to the way you think. You seem to simply be redefining the connotations of such an expression in order to make it fit your claim. Part of a Catholic college’s mission should be to confirm the identity of its Catholic students, not simply to ‘challenge’ them…

I would also argue that one cannot know the true without examining that which is not true. Instead of whining, I think the student should approach this as a learning experience.

…and obviously examining what is not true should/can be part of that, but not examining what is not true as if it were true.

 

[tonyrey]

How did my comment infringe the rule?? My comment was purely factual. You can say it wasn’t polite; but it was true, i.e, you are the real rule-breaker when it comes to politeness. I’m just pointing it out after the fact.

It is well-known that people often accuse others of their own faults. Please give examples of when I have been “belligerent”. I can cite **many **examples of your belligerence - and sarcasm into the bargain.

 

[Betterave]

It is well-known that people often accuse others of their own faults. Please give examples of when I have been “belligerent”. I can cite **many **examples of your belligerence - and sarcasm into the bargain.

I refer you to the thread “The Theory of Knowledge.” Got any examples for me?

 

[tonyrey]

I refer you to the thread “The Theory of Knowledge.” Got any examples for me?

Your belligerence would (and does) provoke anyone!

Here is a small selection from your recent posts to others:

With due respect, I think you’ve already demonstrated that you are a person with a bit of a shaky grasp on reality/rationality, so I certainly wouldn’t just believe you.

Daniel: I fear you haven’t the first clue about Catholic moral philosophy and you don’t want to learn. You are belligerent and arrogant and self-righteous. If you don’t want to modify your behaviour, I’m afraid I’m just going to excuse myself from this inane conversation. Peace be with you.

(If you really don’t know what is wrong with your little argument, please ask. But please think about it for yourself before doing so: your error should be quite obvious.)

You should spend some time reading the Catechism. This kind of thing should be obvious to any decently educated Catholic.

Ya think? How do you know that, exactly?? (Let me guess: you’re actually a great Pascal scholar? - )

And what is love, smart guy? Love is possible without thought, ya think? What is thought?

Jon, your objections are demonstrably absurd and you repeatedly ignore the demonstrations that are offered of their absurdity. Would you say that you are here as someone who is genuinely open to the truth and ready to admit when he is wrong, so as to engage in real constructive dialogue? Could you please seriously look at yourself and answer honestly?

You think that what is important is expressing your view (regardless of how implausible it will likely seem to others), not expressing the grounds for your view? (Maybe not, but that appears to be your MO so far…)

But again, what does this “I think X is false” amount to? Again, it sounds like you might just mean: “I can find stuff that, based on my personal experience/beliefs, I don’t like.”

I might. What if I did? Oh yeah, I forgot: one of your favorite argument styles is the fallacious ad hominem.

In any case, an analogy is different from an allegory. Did you know that, Mr. Reading Comprehension?

LOL! I just knew I could count on you to miss the point. “Intentionally fall on the grenade” is not a complete specification of the act for the purposes of moral analysis. Nice attempt to miss the point again though!

Are you sure you’re not threatened by others not sharing your view? Maybe you would be more open to a rational correction of your views if you really weren’t threatened by those who don’t share them…

 

[jonfawkes]

A good number were directed at me But in all fairness - I was the one asking him if he has Asperger’s - I didn’t do it as insult though but rather to understand where he is coming from.

 

[Betterave]

Your belligerence would (and does) provoke anyone!

Here is a small selection from your recent posts to others:

LOL! I should have known that your petty and irrational crusading nature wouldn’t let me off lightly. I’ll take your first one, just because it’s the first, and explain it to you:

Quote:
With due respect, I think you’ve already demonstrated that you are a person with a bit of a shaky grasp on reality/rationality, so I certainly wouldn’t just believe you.

There is nothing belligerent here. Just factual observations followed by a conclusion that actually follows from those observations. In other words: a sound argument.

I certainly won’t waste my time explaining each item on the list, but if any are really bothering you, let me know, one at a time, and I’ll explain them for you.

 

[tonyrey]

LOL! I should have known that your petty and irrational crusading nature wouldn’t let me off lightly. I’ll take your first one, just because it’s the first, and explain it to you:
Quote:
With due respect, I think you’ve already demonstrated that you are a person with a bit of a shaky grasp on reality/rationality, so I certainly wouldn’t just believe you.There is nothing belligerent here. Just factual observations followed by a conclusion that actually follows from those observations. In other words: a sound argument.

I certainly won’t waste my time explaining each item on the list, but if any are really bothering you, let me know, one at a time, and I’ll explain them for you.
You have produced yet another example with “your petty and irrational crusading nature”! I leave others to decide whether it is necessary and courteous to state **publicly **that a member of this forum is “a person with a bit of a shaky grasp on reality/rationality”. Surely a **rational **discussion should address the topic without introducing hurtful, extraneous remarks about others…

 

[Betterave]

LOL! I should have known that your petty and irrational crusading nature wouldn’t let me off lightly. I’ll take your first one, just because it’s the first, and explain it to you:
Quote:
With due respect, I think you’ve already demonstrated that you are a person with a bit of a shaky grasp on reality/rationality, so I certainly wouldn’t just believe you.There is nothing belligerent here. Just factual observations followed by a conclusion that actually follows from those observations. In other words: a sound argument.

Yet another example of a well-founded factual observation, followed by a sound argument on the basis of that observation, you mean? You, on the other hand, have produced yet another example of your petty and quibbling argument style, ignoring what I have said, and resorting to an ad hominem - as well as to your pathetically grandiose “I will leave it to others to decide…” - why not just address the substance of my claim, talk to me, instead of resorting to these grandiose pronouncements for the benefit of whatever tiny third-party audience this petty dispute between us happens to have?

 

[veritas82]

Gosh
May we have peace, let us take the higher moral ground and forgive and forget. This was an interesting thread before

 

[tonyrey]

Gosh
May we have peace, let us take the higher moral ground and forgive and forget. This was an interesting thread before

I agree. Silence is the best solution…