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Mannyfit75 said:
The use of cracker and grapejuice is unbiblical, and only unleaven bread and wine can be used. In some tradition leaven bread in Eastern Rite traditions. Though since they are Protestants I don’t expect them to change it.

I have a question. What is the justification of using cracker and grape juice for communion? It’s not Biblical…

Wine was use and Unleaven bread for Holy Communion in the NT
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How do you figure a cracker and grape juice is unbiblical?
 
Crackers are a form of unleavened bread. Crackers are never alowed to rise before baking and do not generally contain yeast. My church uses wheat crackers.

Is the argument against them that they are not round and are broken? Did Jesus not say “This is my Body which is Broken for you”?

The very idea of **breaking Bread **is to share a meal together. Jesus shared His body with us in His Sacrifice. If a person intends to eat it all himself he would bite it, not break it. Each perfectly round wafer does not get shared or Broken as Jesus Broke the Bread, it gets bitten.

Even in the story where Jesus fed the 5 thousand…
“19And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people.”

He blessed it and BROKE it and then shared it.

Now if I had my choice I’d choose an unleavened bread that was more traditional then wheat crackers but it certianly wouldn’t show up as perfectly round individualized wafers.
 
sandusky said:
I don’t think He said that.
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Jesus said, “This is My Body, which will be given up for you.”

I just feel uncomfortable using cracker and grape juice. I still find no voice that cracker can be used.

How do you know cracker is unleaven?
 
Is the argument against them that they are not round and are broken?
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The Eucharist in the Catholic Church is flat and round and but it is stil unleaven bread, which the Bible itself prescribe, and it still continue to use wine and not grape juice.

The Orthodox Holy Communion is Leaven Bread. I’ll quote an Orthodox site regarding Eucharist
Actually, leavened bread has always been used in the Eastern Church. In fact, at one point in time, a great controversy raged over the fact that in the Eastern Church leavened bread was used, while in the Christian West unleavened bread was the norm.
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In the Christian East there is no concern for using the exact type of bread used at the Last Supper – known in the Orthodox Church as the “Mystical Supper.” Christ “leavens” our lives, so to speak, and the purpose of the Eucharistic celebration is not to “recreate” or “reproduce” a past event but, rather, to participate in an event that is beyond time and space and which, in fact, continues to happen each time the Eucharist is celebrated in fulfillment of Our Lord’s command.
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Mannyfit75 said:
Jesus said, “This is My Body, which will be given up for you.”

I just feel uncomfortable using cracker and grape juice. I still find no voice that cracker can be used.

How do you know cracker is unleaven?
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Do you know what leaven means?
To cause dough or batter to rise.

Crackers are not allowed to rise or they would be light and puffy instead of flat and crunchy.

The word broken is in many versions of the Bible as I quoted and not in others in that part of the verse, But it is not in dispute that Jesus broke the bread. All say “when He had given thanks he broke it” (Except some said Brake instead of broke.)
 
Mannyfit75 said:
The Eucharist in the Catholic Church is flat and round and but it is stil unleaven bread, which the Bible itself prescribe, and it still continue to use wine and not grape juice.
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I agree on the grape juice thing, it has always made me uncomfortable when grape juice is used over wine… especially white grape juice. Even for those that only believe in it symbolically, How can a white drink symbolize blood??
 
Syele said:
Do you know what leaven means?
To cause dough or batter to rise.

Crackers are not allowed to rise or they would be light and puffy instead of flat and crunchy.

The word broken is in many versions of the Bible as I quoted and not in others in that part of the verse, But it is not in dispute that Jesus broke the bread. All say “when He had given thanks he broke it” (Except some said Brake instead of broke.)
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So in the Protestant service such as yours. You use unleaven cracker?
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Is that your final answer? hehe
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😛 Juries generally don’t stay out forever, do they?

Symbolic or not, the Bible makes it extremely clear that it’s not to be taken lightly. In that tradition, I will not let the jury come back in until I am 100% certian.
 
Syele said:
😛 Juries generally don’t stay out forever, do they?

Symbolic or not, the Bible makes it extremely clear that it’s not to be taken lightly. In that tradition, I will not let the jury come back in until I am 100% certian.
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Yes it shouldn’t be taken lightly that is why it is more than symobolic. It is real as John 6 stats…
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Yes it shouldn’t be taken lightly that is why it is more than symobolic. It is real as John 6 stats…
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Symbolic is not necessarily “Taking something lightly”. It is your Catholic bias that equates them. Symbols can have very very deep and important meanings.
 
Syele said:
Symbolic is not necessarily “Taking something lightly”. It is your Catholic bias that equates them. Symbols can have very very deep and important meanings.
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Symbolic is not Scripturally supported the way Jesus Christ himself intended.
 
Hey,
I dont want to rewrite my entire speech. If you would like Will pick you can see my response(toward the end)on the thread–True church vs. Roman Catholic Church. Unless I can somehow cut and paste?? I ma not sure I am capable of doing so.

ALLFORHIM
 
the topic are similiar. I don’t think convincing Non-Catholics on the real presence can convince them to believe it since their own traditions has given them that rather the 2,000 yrs old tradition of Christ’s church.
 
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