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This topic is interesting to me because I too am a convert- but not to Catholicism.

I spent most of my life in the UCC, and my wife grew up a WI Synod Lutheran. I didn’t know much about religious issues upon meeting her, and didn’t much care. When it became time for us to get engaged, I ended up converting because it was important for her family that I join their church, and she wanted to be married by the pastor who confirmed her. In the end, I view it as a positive experience; despite many on this board’s opinions about Protestantism, there is a real difference between churches like the UCC, and Lutheranism. Lutherans got me introduced to some of the basics that a lot of people here take for granted, and I’ll be grateful to them for that all of my life.

It can be difficult to shatter that. Heck, someone in my wife’s family is considering LCMS and worries about what some in the family will think (Lutherans in LCMS will laugh, because the difference between WELS and LCMS is minimal, at best). ELCA is looked down upon even more. Nobody even mentions Catholicism as a viable choice.

I have a lot of respect for someone who can stand up for what they believe in the face of all that peer pressure. Obviously, one wants to make their family happy, and going to church as a family is really important.

It’s a pity your wife doesn’t see what you see. I wonder if the real issue with your conversion isn’t theology, but her feeling like you are abandoning the family or abandoning the commitment to raising the children “right.”

IMO, this is also a good time to emphasize what your roles in the family are biblically supposed to be. Pardon me for pasting from a Lutheran website, but she is Lutheran anyway, so this analysis should hold some sway with her if she is at all serious about her faith:

The role relationships of man and woman find their fullest expression in the close union of marriage. In a Christian home a husband and wife are partners and co-heirs of God’s gracious gift of salvation (Eph 5:22-33; 1 Pe 3:1-7).​

Since God appointed the husband to be the head of the wife (Eph 5:23), the husband will love and care for his God-given wife (1 Pe 3:7). A wife will gladly accept the leadership of her husband as her God-appointed head (Eph 5:22-24).​

As the head of the wife and family the husband has the prime responsibility for the spiritual instruction of the family (Eph 6:4).​

In addition to prayer, my suggestion would be to study what scriptures have to say about marriage. Being the husband, sometimes, also means taking the lead spiritually and leading the family into truth. Though, sometimes passivity and giving them space can be the best way to do that… Depends on the situation. Either way, God has things to say about how marriage and family issues should work, so it might be helpful to see what He thinks. 👍
 
You’ll have to give up ‘exorcising’ demons you realize?

… but I’m sure you already knew that.
LOL. I thought about that. But, that’s not going to change. I’ll still exorcise them when I find them no matter what church I belong to. It may turn into simple exorcisms, but it’s still the same fundamental process of calling upon Higher powers to deal with these petty lower powers. Lay people can be involved in spiritual warfare and releasing people from demonic activity. You have to read up on the parameters.

My approach to them doesn’t invoke any authority of the Church presently and I don’t use the Rite of Exorcism anyway. I just speak to the great St. Michael the archangel and he takes care of them. Trust me, demons aren’t getting off easy when I turn Catholic. There will still be “hell” to pay 🙂 So, I don’t want them to feel too comfortable.

MW
 
This topic is interesting to me because I too am a convert- but not to Catholicism.

I spent most of my life in the UCC, and my wife grew up a WI Synod Lutheran. I didn’t know much about religious issues upon meeting her, and didn’t much care. When it became time for us to get engaged, I ended up converting because it was important for her family that I join their church, and she wanted to be married by the pastor who confirmed her. In the end, I view it as a positive experience; despite many on this board’s opinions about Protestantism, there is a real difference between churches like the UCC, and Lutheranism. Lutherans got me introduced to some of the basics that a lot of people here take for granted, and I’ll be grateful to them for that all of my life.

It can be difficult to shatter that. Heck, someone in my wife’s family is considering LCMS and worries about what some in the family will think (Lutherans in LCMS will laugh, because the difference between WELS and LCMS is minimal, at best). ELCA is looked down upon even more. Nobody even mentions Catholicism as a viable choice.

I have a lot of respect for someone who can stand up for what they believe in the face of all that peer pressure. Obviously, one wants to make their family happy, and going to church as a family is really important.

It’s a pity your wife doesn’t see what you see. I wonder if the real issue with your conversion isn’t theology, but her feeling like you are abandoning the family or abandoning the commitment to raising the children “right.”

IMO, this is also a good time to emphasize what your roles in the family are biblically supposed to be. Pardon me for pasting from a Lutheran website, but she is Lutheran anyway, so this analysis should hold some sway with her if she is at all serious about her faith:

In addition to prayer, my suggestion would be to study what scriptures have to say about marriage. Being the husband, sometimes, also means taking the lead spiritually and leading the family into truth. Though, sometimes passivity and giving them space can be the best way to do that… Depends on the situation. Either way, God has things to say about how marriage and family issues should work, so it might be helpful to see what He thinks. 👍
James, thank you much for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Part of her issue is that in her mind there is too much legalism in Catholicism and she doesn’t want our children to be “subjected” to this. Of course, it’s just a lack of understanding on her part. She’s a pretty liberal and loose Christian, while I’ve always been very conservative in my beliefs.

And you’re right, a big part of it is that I am abandoning them in some sense. Me going to a different church and having different beliefs, especially ones she disagrees with, puts her on the defensive like her faith is somehow defective.

Thanks again for your advice and support.

Peace…

MW
 
:extrahappy: I knew it! 😉

God bless you MW! I’m praying for you!
LOL! Hello old friend 🙂

I swear I laughed out loud when I read your post.

Yeah, I suppose I’m going to have to swim it sooner or later. I just can’t deny my experiences and conscience the past 4 years. I’m still going to have to fight evil though 😉 Father will help me work that out.

Thank you for your support and God bless you my sister 👍

Peace…

MW
 
Does the church have “lay-exorcists”?
I can’t point to any Church document that speaks to this, but the term itself is a difficult one.

Lay persons can perform simple exorcisms as opposed to solemn exorcisms which are for priests only. For example, lay persons can use the Rite of Exorcism, but they must omit certain parts of it.

Lay persons who confront demons are encouraged to pray for deliverance of the individual, but cannot command demons on behalf of the Church or of Christ Himself. It’s a really fine line.

I don’t even usually use the Rite myself anyway and call upon archangels to help instead. I command them in Jesus’s name to depart, not by my own name and ask the angels to “show them the door” 😃

So, I see no conflict between what I do and the minor order of exorcism within the Church done by priests. I have included a few links that discuss this further. The first link is Catholic, the second is a news agency report and the third is from New Advent.

As the third link points out, historically, non-clerics performed exorcisms early on in Christendom.

holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/Exorcism.htm

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1573976/Vatican-to-create-more-exorcists-to-tackle-‘evil’.html

newadvent.org/cathen/05711a.htm

Peace…

MW
 
James, thank you much for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Part of her issue is that in her mind there is too much legalism in Catholicism and she doesn’t want our children to be “subjected” to this. Of course, it’s just a lack of understanding on her part. She’s a pretty liberal and loose Christian, while I’ve always been very conservative in my beliefs.

And you’re right, a big part of it is that I am abandoning them in some sense. Me going to a different church and having different beliefs, especially ones she disagrees with, puts her on the defensive like her faith is somehow defective.

Thanks again for your advice and support.

Peace…

MW
This is a very tough situation for you and your wife, and I will pray for you.

A shared faith and belief with a unified front is something that has been very important to myself and my husband. FYI-We are non-Catholics. The idea of not going to church as a family would be a very difficult pill for me to swallow .

Quick question–
Since you were not married in the Catholic Church, would you be able to receive Communion if you converted and your wife did not want to have the marriaged blessed? Would you both have to promise to raise your children Catholic? How does all that work??

God Bless!
 
This is a very tough situation for you and your wife, and I will pray for you.

A shared faith and belief with a unified front is something that has been very important to myself and my husband. FYI-We are non-Catholics. The idea of not going to church as a family would be a very difficult pill for me to swallow .

Quick question–
Since you were not married in the Catholic Church, would you be able to receive Communion if you converted and your wife did not want to have the marriaged blessed? Would you both have to promise to raise your children Catholic? How does all that work??

God Bless!
Our marriage is valid even if it wasn’t in the Church, therefore there is no sin. It is not a Catholic marriage of course, but we are still legally married and therefore it is not mortal sin. I could receive the Eucharist regardless. I would have to promise to do all I could to raise them Catholic, that is, instill in them Catholic values, etc. If I am wrong on this, I ask that a Catholic share this.

I found this in the AA forum:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=2650843&postcount=2

Thank you for your support and honest evaluation.

Peace…

MW
 
Our marriage is valid even if it wasn’t in the Church, therefore there is no sin. It is not a Catholic marriage of course, but we are still legally married and therefore it is not mortal sin. I could receive the Eucharist regardless. I would have to promise to do all I could to raise them Catholic, that is, instill in them Catholic values, etc. If I am wrong on this, I ask that a Catholic share this.

I found this in the AA forum:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=2650843&postcount=2

Thank you for your support and honest evaluation.

Peace…

MW
I think the only thing I’d add is if you were to continue attending the Lutheran services for the sake of the family you would not take part in their communion service once you’ve become Catholic, but I state it mostly for other readers, not so much for you, as I’m sure once you experience the Real Presence it would never occur to you to settle for less. 😉 It’s just that there are many, many cradle catholics who don’t know it’s not ok to take part in other denominations’ communion services.
 
I think the only thing I’d add is if you were to continue attending the Lutheran services for the sake of the family you would not take part in their communion service once you’ve become Catholic, but I state it mostly for other readers, not so much for you, as I’m sure once you experience the Real Presence it would never occur to you to settle for less. 😉 It’s just that there are many, many cradle catholics who don’t know it’s not ok to take part in other denominations’ communion services.
thanks GAHere. Yes, that’s correct. I could not participate in the Lutheran communion. Did I have the rest right about me receiving the Eucharist?

Peace…

MW
 
Thanks MW and GAHere for the information! I understand not receiving communion in the Lutheran Church if you become a Catholic. I believe that I have read on here that a Catholic should not attend non-Catholic Church services except for things like weddings and funerals. I found this response on another thread from Father Serpa and wonder if this would be a conflict for you attending your family’s church and also the Catholic church?.

Hi,

In the first place a Catholic has no business attending Protestant church services even occasionally. To participate in a heretical worship service and especially a communion service can be sinful for a Catholic because such an act is an affirmation of what we believe to be untrue. To attend an ecumenical service or a wedding or baptism is allowed, but Catholics are not allowed to attend such churches for the main reason of worship. Now if there are no Catholic churches in the vicinity on a Sunday, Catholics are allowed to participate in the Liturgy of Churches whose clergy are validly ordained such as the Eastern Orthodox Churches—including the reception of the Eucharist. Although we consider them to be in schism (not in union with the Pope) with the Catholic Church, such Churches are not heretical and share our basic beliefs.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=229077

God Bless!
 
thanks GAHere. Yes, that’s correct. I could not participate in the Lutheran communion. Did I have the rest right about me receiving the Eucharist?
Once you are received into the Church by Profession of Faith and the Sacrament of Confirmation, you would begin to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church only.

Your marriage would be considered both valid and Sacramental, since you were both Protestant at the time of the wedding.

Your wife and children would continue to receive Holy Communion at the Lutheran church.

With regard to any visiting back and forth between the Lutheran and Catholic churches, follow whatever advice your Confessor gives you.

Mine told me not to go back to my old Protestant church (where the rest of my family still attends) other than on special occasions, in order to avoid confusing my former co-religionists about what has happened with my conversion to the Catholic faith (they might assume that I had not, after all, become a Catholic), and also to avoid any appearance of or danger of the heresy of syncretism (the idea that all religions are equally good).
 
Once you are received into the Church by Profession of Faith and the Sacrament of Confirmation, you would begin to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church only.

Your marriage would be considered both valid and Sacramental, since you were both Protestant at the time of the wedding.

Your wife and children would continue to receive Holy Communion at the Lutheran church.

With regard to any visiting back and forth between the Lutheran and Catholic churches, follow whatever advice your Confessor gives you.

Mine told me not to go back to my old Protestant church (where the rest of my family still attends) other than on special occasions, in order to avoid confusing my former co-religionists about what has happened with my conversion to the Catholic faith (they might assume that I had not, after all, become a Catholic), and also to avoid any appearance of or danger of the heresy of syncretism (the idea that all religions are equally good).
Thanks jmcrae for the information. I really am pretty disappointed about the last paragraph. I understand the reasoning, but it’s still difficult. That would further separate us as a family (sigh).

Peace…

MW
 
Thanks jmcrae for the information. I really am pretty disappointed about the last paragraph. I understand the reasoning, but it’s still difficult. That would further separate us as a family (sigh).

Peace…

MW
What we have done in our family is we’ve become more intentional about other kinds of together time, so we go to a lot of concerts, plays, and other social events together, rather than having our 'together time" be at Church. This way, we’re still doing something interesting together that we can all talk about.
 
Thanks jmcrae for the information. I really am pretty disappointed about the last paragraph. I understand the reasoning, but it’s still difficult. That would further separate us as a family (sigh).

Peace…

MW
Your wording of “separate” caught my eye. Don’t you think that this would be one of the last things that God would want to happen in our families, especially a marriage? Our faith should bring us together, not separate us.

God Bless!
 
Your wording of “separate” caught my eye. Don’t you think that this would be one of the last things that God would want to happen in our families, especially a marriage? Our faith should bring us together, not separate us.

God Bless!
Well, I think that’s the initial response anyway. RCIA doesn’t start till later in the year, so I’m hoping to have the time to work some things out before then. It will certainly be an adjustment and a difficult one.

God bless…

MW
 
What we have done in our family is we’ve become more intentional about other kinds of together time, so we go to a lot of concerts, plays, and other social events together, rather than having our 'together time" be at Church. This way, we’re still doing something interesting together that we can all talk about.
Good point. If our only family time together is at church, then I need to start with some additional activiites to help us bond together more.

Thanks!

Peace…

MW
 
I can sympathize with you; whenever I am at a crossroads, the first thing I do is go to confession, and get the garbage off my soul, I dont know if you are able to recieve the sacrament of reconciliation. You may have to talk to a priest.

My recommendation; attend adoration, and talk with Jesus one on one, God loves you, he speaks to all of us, especially when your going through a decision of salvation. Attend many hour adorations, maybe wait after the benediction, and speak to the Priest.

Many others recommended the Mass, get an understanding of what is taking place, and then " when you see the Son of Man
lifted up, then you will know that I Am" at Mass.

Pray the rosary with your family, or yourself, use the sacred scriptures for each mystery. If you want the silver bullet, the rosary is the one.

Praying for you and your family to come into the fullness of Truth in the Body of Jesus Christ.
 
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