Help in answering a Purgatory query of a non-catholic friend

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Are you saying that God will no longer give us the grace of compassion toward our loved ones?
Heaven will be far different than earth. Freed from the shackles of mortality and partakers of the beatific vision we will know God and all of his attributes to include His Justice. Our compassion will be, therefore, subject to God’s justice. Or in other words, if God is no longer compassionate towards them why would you think we would be?
 
I am not so sure. First, where are you getting this idea that souls in hell cannot have compassion. Is it official church teaching?
No, I don’t think it is. The Church teaches that we are made in the image and likeness of God, which includes the ability to have compassion. Even humans in the fallen state can have compassion “if you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children…”

Ultimately, humans are incapable of Agape without the Spirit of God, but it is not impossible for us to have basic human compassion.
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Second, this is a parable spoken by Jesus and is not necessarily an account of any actual event.  The purpose of the parable is not to establish purgation but rather to show that wealth which the Pharisees sought was not the way to heaven.
I agree with this also. However, Jesus used images and events in His parables that were common knowledge for the people of His day. Farmers, fishermen, rich and poor, etc. There is also no reason to think it is not an actual event, or at least an event that the listeners would find familiar. He did not use parables to teach doctrine, per se, but there are eternal truths embedded in them.
I think the rich man is in Hell not purgatory. The last 3 verses are one key,

“28 for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.’”

The one who should rise from the dead is of course, Christ. The inference is that the rich man’s brothers will join him if they do not hear Christ. The rich man does not want his brothers to go to the same place. Why not? If it was purgatory they would eventually merit heaven and that is a good thing. But if it was hell they would be condemned eternally. I think the parable is one of extreme contrast between the super rich man who eats sumptuous meals and the super poor Lazarus who doesn’t even have clean bandages for his sores. Doesn’t make sense then if the rich man can eventually join the poor man in heaven.
Not really, no. However, it is definitely a torment to be separated from our attachment to sin, and it would be disingenuous to characterize the purification any other way. Anyone who embraces sanctification in this life knows that separation from one’s sinful ways involves suffering, in this life, as well as the next.
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 Also you have that verse 26 to deal with:
“26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’”

If “…none may cross from there to us.” How is the rich man going to cross from purgatory to heaven? He can’t. He is condemned in hell.
I think this is the most salient point. 👍

He may also have been in the “prison” into which Christ went after death, to preach the gospel. Those persons were kept in a place of waiting, the just for heaven, and the unjust for hell.
 
It is church teaching that those in hell are forever cut off from God and compassion is a grace from God.
Godly compassion certainly cannot happen without grace. However, fallen human beings can still exercise caring for others, even if it is only motivated by ultimate self interest.

Remember how the Lord said “You love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even the Gentiles do the same. Therefore I say to you, love your enemies…”
Make no mistake that while they will eventually merit heaven, those in hell are indeed suffering. Read any church approved apparitions.
Perhaps you meant to say purgatory here?
How could those in hell, who are forever cut off from the rightousness of God be able to see and hear the rightousness of God?
The same way the devil and his angels do. They saw and heard the righteousness of God, railed against Him while He was on earth…their awareness of it, and separation from it, is part of what gives them torment!
 
Dear Sir Knight,

The source linked in your earlier post was an article by Scott Hahn who wrote; "St Teresa says; “There is no love in hell”.

There is no supporting reference where he got this quote of St Teresa from.

Scott Hahn wrote that he believed the rich man was in purgatory. St Teresa never wrote that she did.

Please let us know in which of the writings of St Teresa can we find her written belief that the rich man was in purgatory. Supporting references would be appreciated.

Thanks and cheers,
V.S.
 
Dear Sir Knight,

The source linked in your earlier post was an article by Scott Hahn who wrote; "St Teresa says; “There is no love in hell”.

There is no supporting reference where he got this quote of St Teresa from.

Scott Hahn wrote that he believed the rich man was in purgatory. St Teresa never wrote that she did.

Please let us know in which of the writings of St Teresa can we find her written belief that the rich man was in purgatory. Supporting references would be appreciated.

Thanks and cheers,
V.S.
Terribly sorry. I mis-read the article. And while I withdraw St. Teresa, it makes another point to support the idea that the Rich Man was in purgatory – he was INTERCEDING on behalf of his brothers. Those in hell do not do that but those in purgatory do.

Thank you for pointing out my error because it made me re-read the article and convinced me more than ever that the Rich Man was in purgatory.
 
Terribly sorry. I mis-read the article. And while I withdraw St. Teresa, it makes another point to support the idea that the Rich Man was in purgatory – he was INTERCEDING on behalf of his brothers. Those in hell do not do that but those in purgatory do.

Thank you for pointing out my error because it made me re-read the article and convinced me more than ever that the Rich Man was in purgatory.
No problem. As you said previously, we can agree to disagree.

While we disagree where the Rich Man was (hell vs purgatory), we agree that there IS a purgatory.

Cheers,
V.S.

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