Help: "Jesus only performed visible miracles"

[mawst]

It’s being repeated to me recently that “Jesus only performed visible miracles”.

This is being used frequently as an attack on the Real Presence in the Eucharist.

I would be interested to hear some Catholic answers to this.

Thanks everyone!

 

[agbasinger]

It’s being repeated to me recently that “Jesus only performed visible miracles”.

This is being used frequently as an attack on the Real Presence in the Eucharist.

I would be interested to hear some Catholic answers to this.

Thanks everyone!

I am guessing that they are not counting the transubstantiation at the Last Supper as a miracle?

Who witnessed Jesus raising from the dead?

 

[Leopard]

It’s being repeated to me recently that “Jesus only performed visible miracles”.

This is being used frequently as an attack on the Real Presence in the Eucharist.

I would be interested to hear some Catholic answers to this.

Thanks everyone!

It’s silly. Are they saying that Jesus could not possibly have performed an invisible miracle, whatever they mean by that? If so, how do they know?

Or are they saying that Jesus could have performed some miracle not seen and reported by others, but did not do so? If Jesus had performed such an unseen and unreported miracle, how would they know? How can they know that He did not?

 

[Soutane]

It’s being repeated to me recently that “Jesus only performed visible miracles”.

This is being used frequently as an attack on the Real Presence in the Eucharist.

I would be interested to hear some Catholic answers to this.

Thanks everyone!

Two words-PROVE IT.

 

[Soutane]

Rebuttal-obviously He didn’t.He gave us the Eucharist-the greatest miracle of all and one that requires our participation in order to truly experience it-Faith.

 

[Scar]

…unless you fessed up to the “invisible miracle” how would you know… wait a minute, is this a trick question… the answer is invisible too right?

 

[Bonnie]

Depends on one’s definition of “miracle.” Jesus forgave sin. That is certainly “invisible” and I consider it a miracle.

 

[LilyM]

Casting the demons out of the possessed young man was possibly a visible miracle - even that is debatable, it’s not like the demons themselves are visible and/or visibly gone.

But how do the evangelists know that the demons actually went INTO the pigs just because they said they would? Sure the pigs acted funny but pigs DO, like all animals, get spooked for reasons other than demonic possession, no?

And the gift of the Holy Spirit is surely a miracle, but didn’t always happen visibly, at least not after Pentecost.

 

[VociMike]

If the Eucharist is an “invisible” miracle then so is the Incarnation. If the Eucharist does not meet the “visibility” standards of these objectors then neither does the Incarnation. They can’t have it both ways, although of course they’ll try.

 

[jkpreece]

This might be a terrible example, but I will give it a whirl. Make sure I am not speaking heresy.

Think of the curing of the paralytic. When the man was cured, no one seen what Jesus did, but they knew the effect. The man rose and could walk. He didn’t look any different did he? But he was more alive than ever.

Paralytics were healed, but that can not be seen, only experienced by what happens after. The same with the Eucharist, It really becomes His precious Body and Blood, but you can not see it (unless he allows you), only experience it.

 

[NHInsider]

This might be a terrible example, but I will give it a whirl. Make sure I am not speaking heresy.

Think of the curing of the paralytic. When the man was cured, no one seen what Jesus did, but they knew the effect. The man rose and could walk. He didn’t look any different did he? But he was more alive than ever.

Paralytics were healed, but that can not be seen, only experienced by what happens after. The same with the Eucharist, It really becomes His precious Body and Blood, but you can not see it (unless he allows you), only experience it.

And Jesus explicitly said that the forgiveness of sin was the greater miracle, but to prove to those who did not believe, he would also heal the man’s body. (Matt 9:5/Luke 9:23). So He himself TOLD the people that they had witnessed an “invisible miracle.”

There is also the case of the woman with the hemorrhage - she touched Jesus’ clothing in faith and He felt the power go out to heal her, but no one saw the result.

It’s a spurious argument, anyway. Ask whether or not salvation is visible?

 

[WesleyF]

The very fact that you’re born again in baptism is a miracle! Is it visible?

 

[mawst]

Good discussion everyone, I would like to thank everyone for answering, we’ve got some very fine examples of miracles that are not visible. Good work, and God Bless!