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holdencaulfield
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For some reason I am feeling like Eastern Orthodoxy is correct, I know it isn’t, however could someone help me please?
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PapaBennySix
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Yes, I can try to help you, to start…why do you think it’s correct?
First of all, they deny the Authority of the Bishop of Rome, Our Holy Father. Is that OK? If not, you have your answer.
Ave Maria.
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holdencaulfield
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No, however I don’t agree with all of the changes in the Catholic Church. But I do follow and agree with Pope Benedict XVI.
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scylla
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Just because you see a lot of destruction of the faith these days that does not mean that the faith has been destroyed. Just because you see irreverent Masses, a whole bunch of wimpy Priests, wimpy Bishops and widespread denial of the faith that does not mean it doesn’t exist.
The faith is still there, there are good Bishops, there are good, strong faithful Priests, there are good faithful Catholics. We have gone through about 40 years of wholesale destruction of the holy faith, that doesn’t mean it isn’t coming back. The dissenters are a dying breed, there will be pockets of silliness but the faith is on the way back. We need faithful to be strong and to fight for it.
catholicscomehome.org
I found this website reading the evangelization forum, look at the about us link and watch the video.
God Bless
Scylla
The faith is still there, there are good Bishops, there are good, strong faithful Priests, there are good faithful Catholics. We have gone through about 40 years of wholesale destruction of the holy faith, that doesn’t mean it isn’t coming back. The dissenters are a dying breed, there will be pockets of silliness but the faith is on the way back. We need faithful to be strong and to fight for it.
catholicscomehome.org
I found this website reading the evangelization forum, look at the about us link and watch the video.
God Bless
Scylla
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holdencaulfield
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Thanks, is there any sign that Pope Benedict XVI will correct the past mistakes?
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chrisb
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Grace and Peace holdencaulfield,
I earned my ‘rough water survivor batch’ in the black sea.
Although I admit that Eastern Orthodoxy is a beautiful tradition I am a firm believer that what we encounter in the west is a very polemic expression designed to embellish our differences and exploit our concern over our own Churches travails in the forefront of combating modernism. I greatly resent this trend in Orthodox apologetics and I see very little fruit of the spirit born from it that we aid it us bridging our differences but I remain hopeful and I pray for unity as often as I am able. Amen.
That said, I have found the traditional doctrine of Original Sin to be the greatest bulwark against their more populist teachings. When we consult the historical record of the Church it is the Roman Catholic Church whom stands as the only teacher of the Truth regarding the Doctrine of Original Sin and any normative interpretation of the Biblical Testimony.
I’m more than happy to discussion details but I would note it a touch unbefitting our call to preparation during Lent. That said, I would not deny any and all aid that my own person encounter with Eastern Orthodoxy might have with your own struggles.
May God strengthen you and aid you in this endeavor. Amen.
Peace and God Bless.
I earned my ‘rough water survivor batch’ in the black sea.
Although I admit that Eastern Orthodoxy is a beautiful tradition I am a firm believer that what we encounter in the west is a very polemic expression designed to embellish our differences and exploit our concern over our own Churches travails in the forefront of combating modernism. I greatly resent this trend in Orthodox apologetics and I see very little fruit of the spirit born from it that we aid it us bridging our differences but I remain hopeful and I pray for unity as often as I am able. Amen.
That said, I have found the traditional doctrine of Original Sin to be the greatest bulwark against their more populist teachings. When we consult the historical record of the Church it is the Roman Catholic Church whom stands as the only teacher of the Truth regarding the Doctrine of Original Sin and any normative interpretation of the Biblical Testimony.
I’m more than happy to discussion details but I would note it a touch unbefitting our call to preparation during Lent. That said, I would not deny any and all aid that my own person encounter with Eastern Orthodoxy might have with your own struggles.
May God strengthen you and aid you in this endeavor. Amen.
Peace and God Bless.
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holdencaulfield
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Oh yes I forgot about the Original Sin. Thanks.Grace and Peace holdencaulfield,
I earned my ‘rough water survivor batch’ in the black sea.
Although I admit that Eastern Orthodoxy is a beautiful tradition I am a firm believer that what we encounter in the west is a very polemic expression designed to embellish our differences and exploit our concern over our own Churches travails in the forefront of combating modernism. I greatly resent this trend in Orthodox apologetics and I see very little fruit of the spirit born from it that we aid it us bridging our differences but I remain hopeful and I pray for unity as often as I am able. Amen.
That said, I have found the traditional doctrine of Original Sin to be the greatest bulwark against their more populist teachings. When we consult the historical record of the Church it is the Roman Catholic Church whom stands as the only teacher of the Truth regarding the Doctrine of Original Sin and any normative interpretation of the Biblical Testimony.
I’m more than happy to discussion details but I would note it a touch unbefitting our call to preparation during Lent. That said, I would not deny any and all aid that my own person encounter with Eastern Orthodoxy might have with your own struggles.
May God strengthen you and aid you in this endeavor. Amen.
Peace and God Bless.
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scylla
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Most definitely, just look at the way he is making the liturgy more focused on God rather than people. Summorum pontificum shows where we should be heading. If you look at the way the Pope is celebrating the Mass you can see a definite turn.
The Church is big and the Pope is cautious, it is better to influence and guide rather than possibly cause outright rebellion.
There is plenty of subversion, which the Pope must fight against and there is plenty of anti-clericalism, poor teaching and deep rooted dissent which needs to be overcome.
The change is happening, we just need to look a bit. Where are the most vocations coming from? The most faithful Bishops. Where is there the greatest influence on Catholic media? EWTN
The future looks very good, we just need to deal with the present.
God Bless
Scylla
The Church is big and the Pope is cautious, it is better to influence and guide rather than possibly cause outright rebellion.
There is plenty of subversion, which the Pope must fight against and there is plenty of anti-clericalism, poor teaching and deep rooted dissent which needs to be overcome.
The change is happening, we just need to look a bit. Where are the most vocations coming from? The most faithful Bishops. Where is there the greatest influence on Catholic media? EWTN
The future looks very good, we just need to deal with the present.
God Bless
Scylla
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catherineajt
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All I can offer is my own experience. Like you, I was disenchanted with what I perceived as changes in the Catholic church. I found Orthodoxy and thought it was correct. My youngest was baptized in the Orthodox church and my entire family was chrismated.
Now, a year later, I regret my conversion and am grateful to be welcomed back to the Catholic church with such open arms! I know the year I was Orthodox was a year of struggle, spiritual and physical. Once we made the decision to return to the Catholic church, my family was blessed in many ways.
The church is perfect. It is the people that are flawed; we are human! What changes in the Catholic church are you referring to?
Now, a year later, I regret my conversion and am grateful to be welcomed back to the Catholic church with such open arms! I know the year I was Orthodox was a year of struggle, spiritual and physical. Once we made the decision to return to the Catholic church, my family was blessed in many ways.
The church is perfect. It is the people that are flawed; we are human! What changes in the Catholic church are you referring to?
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the_phoenix
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St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
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bkovacs
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First of all, you need to look at your spiritual needs. Does Orthodoxy offer what you are needing spiritually. Many here are going to look at more of the politics vs spirituality. Because the Orthodox church recognizes the See of Rome as a first among equals, along with the four other ancient Patriarchates, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople, all equals in authority, but preserving the faith as a whole vs the See of Rome as complete authority or the Rock of the church in matters of faith. There are those who are more spiritually in tune with the East rather than the West and vice versa. I’m not defending one or the other political position, but which side is God calling to you spiritually. A western path or eastern path. Only he knows what is best for you spiritually. In God’s eyes you will be no more accepted if your Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. Both have valid sacraments and a priesthood, if that is what is really bothering you. Let God guide you, not the opinions of others.
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chrisb
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Grace and Peace,First of all, you need to look at your spiritual needs. Does Orthodoxy offer what you are needing spiritually. Many here are going to look at more of the politics vs spirituality. Because the Orthodox church recognizes the See of Rome as a first among equals, along with the four other ancient Patriarchates, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople, all equals in authority, but preserving the faith as a whole vs the See of Rome as complete authority or the Rock of the church in matters of faith. There are those who are more spiritually in tune with the East rather than the West and vice versa. I’m not defending one or the other political position, but which side is God calling to you spiritually. A western path or eastern path. Only he knows what is best for you spiritually. In God’s eyes you will be no more accepted if your Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. Both have valid sacraments and a priesthood, if that is what is really bothering you. Let God guide you, not the opinions of others.
As much as you might desire to reduce this to a political choice I must point out that to encourage a brother to leave the Roman Catholic Church for Eastern Orthodox Spirituality is gravely disordered. We have many oblate orders in the west which could and would meet our brothers needs for we have everything necessary for a fruitful spiritual life in the Roman Catholic Church. To suggest otherwise would again be gravely disordered and unbecoming of a devout Catholic.
Why do you believe these inclinations are born from God? Such an assumption again could advise our brother into listening to a disordered conscience or worse…
I would never encourage a brother into leaving the Roman Catholic Church. I fail to see why you appear to do so with such reckless abandon?
Please explain yourself?
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bkovacs
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And your an expert on how God communes with us spiritually. I guess any visions or signs, that don’t have a western hint to them are not from God. And I did not encourage!. I told him to let God be his guide. You should take a trip to Greece make a journey to the Holy Mountain and tell the Monks at Holy Mount Athos they are disordered. I dare you!.Grace and Peace,
As much as you might desire to reduce this to a political choice I must point out that to encourage a brother to leave the Roman Catholic Church for Eastern Orthodox Spirituality is gravely disordered. We have many oblate orders in the west which could and would meet our brothers needs for we have everything necessary for a fruitful spiritual life in the Roman Catholic Church. To suggest otherwise would again be gravely disordered and unbecoming of a devout Catholic.
Why do you believe these inclinations are born from God? Such an assumption again could advise our brother into listening to a disordered conscience or worse…
I would never encourage a brother into leaving the Roman Catholic Church. I fail to see why you appear to do so with such reckless abandon?
Please explain yourself?
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bpbasilphx
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You could always become a Byzantine Catholic and have the best of both.
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MoreThan1Hat
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I’ll second that…
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catherineajt
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I know that if I had discovered the Byzantine Catholic church before Orthodoxy, I would not have converted. I now know that what i really was drawn to in Orthodoxy was not the doctrine, but the Liturgy and the custom of infant communion.
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catharina
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holden, even your wording above should give you great pause. When and why would your “feelings” enter into the matter of your faith? Our feelings can be acknowledged but they can NOT lead our faith or our obedience. Love itself is dependent on a chosen action of our free will, not on “feelings.” Does that help?
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PapaBennySix
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I don’t agree with many of the changes either, but they are not mandated, the Church hasn’t changed, the FAITH sure hasn’t changed.
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holdencaulfield
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That is really good to hear. You think the Pope is turning things around, I always knew I liked him.
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holdencaulfield
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I am referring to the changes after Vatican II like the new NO Mass. May I ask, why did you leave the Orthodox Church?
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