Help me get past cannibalism

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It makes perfect since that we are abiding fully in Christ when we partake in communion because we being body and soul we abide fully in Christ body and spirit. But why eat his body to be fully united to his body? I know because that is how God has established things but why? I’m looking at more theological reasons there have to be some great minds out there who have discussed this. I want to better understand it as they do.
 
First of all. . Simply. Do you feel that receiving the Eucharist is the same as cutting up your neighbor and eating them? Of course not. This is because we are consuming the divine body of Christ. Not the human body of Christ. Not only does the Eucharist not meet the substance requirements of cannibalism, we don’t even perceive them to be a human body, because Christ’s divine body assumes the form of the bread and wine.

I also found this answer by searching Catholic.com
Catholics don’t believe Jesus’ presence in the Eucharist is such that the consumption of the Host entails cannibalism. Christ’s body and blood aren’t present naturally, but supernaturally, under the appearances of bread and wine. This mode of presence rules out cannibalism.
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It’s accurate to say that while Christ’s presence is real and substantial, the mode of consumption, the way in which we eat his body and drink his blood, is, in a sense, spiritual (though not merely symbolic). When the host is consumed, the physical process of eating affects only the accidents of bread, not the substance of Christ’s body and blood, which are beyond our power to injure.
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Catholics, then, truly unite themselves spiritually to Christ who is really, substantially present, and they do so in a way which involves the bodily act of eating, even though the physical aspects of this process affect only the sign or accidents of bread.
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Cannibalism generally is the eating of a dead person. Do you believe Jesus is dead?
 
Odell said:
It makes perfect since that we are abiding fully in Christ when we partake in communion because we being body and soul we abide fully in Christ body and spirit. But why eat his body to be fully united to his body? I know because that is how God has established things but why? I’m looking at more theological reasons there have to be some great minds out there who have discussed this. I want to better understand it as they do.
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I’ll add a little to 06convert’s reference.

We consume the spiritual body of Christ as a living sacrifice because it was done from Jewish times in the Old Covenant, up to 70 AD.

When an animal sacrifice was made, part of it was burnt (or altered…it’s where we get the word altar…“to burn”) for God, and the priests would eat a share.

This clarifies why the priest during the Eucharist offers it up to God as well, reminding Him of His Perfect Sacrifice, the body of Jesus, and why we partake in that meal.

Sacrifices were made at the Temple of Jerusalem and only at that temple, built by King Solomon. When the temple was destroyed, the practice appeared to cease.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Cannibalism generally is the eating of a dead person. Do you believe Jesus is dead?
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StrawberryJam:

See the earlier comments.

Mass is a reminder of Christ’s *one *sacrifice. His spiritual body and blood and soul and divinity are present, not His human body. The bread and wine that contains his spiritual presence is reverently treated but still maintains the appearance and taste of bread and wine.

Catholics also are not “re-sacrificing” Jesus, but reenacting, or remembering that sacrifice in accordance to Christ’s wishes at the Last Supper.

Christ was not dead during the Last Supper and the first Eucharist. Being God, His human body can die but He himself could not. That is what Catholics mean when we say that Christ killed death. God can’t die so death has been loopholed away, in effect. As such, Christ is quite alive now when we partake and remember his one sacrifice.
 
I never had the problem with the term cannibalism. But now understanding its his supernatural body I can understand why its not. But why eat could we not become one in nay other way? Is it this way because Jews felt the same about eating blood from an animal, its the life source of the animal. Kind of like some indian felt like they gain different animal attribute when they ate meet? Idk just looking for answers I’m sure there are good ones out there.
 
Odell said:
I never had the problem with the term cannibalism. But now understanding its his supernatural body I can understand why its not. But why eat could we not become one in nay other way? Is it this way because Jews felt the same about eating blood from an animal, its the life source of the animal. Kind of like some indian felt like they gain different animal attribute when they ate meet? Idk just looking for answers I’m sure there are good ones out there.
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Certainly it could have been some other way. Christ could have made it any way He chose, and this way is the way He chose. At the Last Supper, Christ passed consecrated bread and wine to His friends and said eat and drink, in memory of Me. The reason we do this is because Christ told us to do it, and this is how He said to do it.
 
Spencerian said:
StrawberryJam:

See the earlier comments.

Mass is a reminder of Christ’s *one *sacrifice. His spiritual body and blood and soul and divinity are present, not His human body. The bread and wine that contains his spiritual presence is reverently treated but still maintains the appearance and taste of bread and wine.

Catholics also are not “re-sacrificing” Jesus, but reenacting, or remembering that sacrifice in accordance to Christ’s wishes at the Last Supper.

Christ was not dead during the Last Supper and the first Eucharist. Being God, His human body can die but He himself could not. That is what Catholics mean when we say that Christ killed death. God can’t die so death has been loopholed away, in effect. As such, Christ is quite alive now when we partake and remember his one sacrifice.
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You misunderstood. I am pointing out that christians do not believe Jesus is dead, so therefore no cannibalism is happening.🙂
 
Odell said:
It makes perfect since that we are abiding fully in Christ when we partake in communion because we being body and soul we abide fully in Christ body and spirit. But why eat his body to be fully united to his body? I know because that is how God has established things but why? I’m looking at more theological reasons there have to be some great minds out there who have discussed this. I want to better understand it as they do.
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To begin with, you need to specify what is wrong about cannibalism. I’m not saying there’s nothing wrong with it, just that you need to clarify in your own mind what exactly is wrong with it. Then you need to determine if that wrong component happens when you consume the Eucharist.

As to why we are called to consume his body, I’ve always thought of it this way. Jesus Christ is now a corporeal being, body as well as spirit. We too are corporeal beings. So the fullest possible union between him and us must involve both bodies as well as both spirits. Eating and drinking does involve both bodies as well as both spirits, and it also conveys the truth that we must take God into ourselves, incorporate him into ourselves, in order to have life.
 
VociMike said:
To begin with, you need to specify what is wrong about cannibalism. I’m not saying there’s nothing wrong with it, just that you need to clarify in your own mind what exactly is wrong with it. Then you need to determine if that wrong component happens when you consume the Eucharist.

As to why we are called to consume his body, I’ve always thought of it this way. Jesus Christ is now a corporeal being, body as well as spirit. We too are corporeal beings. So the fullest possible union between him and us must involve both bodies as well as both spirits. Eating and drinking does involve both bodies as well as both spirits, and it also conveys the truth that we must take God into ourselves, incorporate him into ourselves, in order to have life.
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Where you going with this? I heard you make this comment before but don’t where your going with asking is cannibalism wrong. Help me out. I would guess cannibalism is wrong do to what your eating is a person with a soul a inner life a spiritual body. We are different from animals in that way? Why its wrong to eat a spiritual body idk? What’s your take? But if this is what does make it wrong maybe that’s what makes it right to consume Christ divine body.
Idk I’m going off I need some great thinkers out there!
 
Odell said:
Where you going with this? I heard you make this comment before but don’t where your going with asking is cannibalism wrong. Help me out. I would guess cannibalism is wrong do to what your eating is a person with a soul a inner life a spiritual body.
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You’re over-thinking this. If you went to a friend and said you were going to practice cannibalism on him, and he (rightly) objected, why would he be objecting? Why would you object if somebody wanted to practice cannibalism on you?
 
If Jesus gives you consent, no tells you to do it, then why question it at all?
 
VociMike said:
You’re over-thinking this. If you went to a friend and said you were going to practice cannibalism on him, and he (rightly) objected, why would he be objecting? Why would you object if somebody wanted to practice cannibalism on you?
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I wouldn’t want anyone to eat me? Why would Jesus want us to eat him? I might be over thinking this. I do that all the time. What are the reasons for eating something to become more fully a part of?
 
Odell said:
I believe full heartily what the church teaches. I just want to better understand it.
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Maybe that is why the catholic church calls many things mysteries.

Let us proclaim the MYSTERY of our faith…
close to that I think the priest sings…
 
Odell said:
I wouldn’t want anyone to eat me? Why would Jesus want us to eat him? I might be over thinking this. I do that all the time. What are the reasons for eating something to become more fully a part of?
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But why wouldn’t you want anyone to eat you? What is your objection to somebody eating you?

If you had the choice of somebody eating you and somebody touching you on the nose, which would you choose and why?
 
VociMike said:
But why wouldn’t you want anyone to eat you? What is your objection to somebody eating you?

If you had the choice of somebody eating you and somebody touching you on the nose, which would you choose and why?
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If I was dead I reckon it would not matter. If I had the option of touching someone’s nose and eating them I would touch their nose. Not to fond on eating people
 
VociMike,

I don’t think Odell has any difficulty with whether or not the Eucharist is cannibalism – so that might be a side issue really.

Odell,

One way of looking at the sacraments is that they are the supernatural life analogs of the natural life. Baptism is to the supernatural life what birth is to natural life. Confirmation is to supernatural life what growth is to natural life. And the Eucharist is to the supernatural life what food is to the natural life.

This goes to why the sacrament. As to why Christ Himself is the sacrament, Augustine and Aquinas both say that whereas bodily food is incorporated into the body of the one who consumes it, spiritual food, like the Eucharist, incorporates the consumer into the consumed. Thus in consuming the Eucharist we are incorporated into Christ.

Note: This is one way of looking at it. The Eucharist has a depth and breadth of inexhaustible mystery – there are many other meanings in it.

VC
 
You must go back to the old testament…MT Mariah (sp) where Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac, was a threshing floor for grain…

It was where Solomon built the temple, and the holy of holies set on this rock where grain was threshed…this is the first link to the Eucharist…Christ was born in Bethlehem, which means House of Bread

God fed manna to the Israelites, this prefigured the Eucharist…We consume Christ because He was the Lamb of God, the perfect sacrifice…Bread and wine were first offered by the High priest Melchizedek in Salem, which would later be called Jerusalem in the old testament…it is read in the prayers at mass

Wine and Bread were a sacrifice to God right from the start, Christ was the perfect sacrifice
 
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