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esther3
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Hello all,
I’m a new member and new Catholic, recently confirmed.
I’m in college and in a nearly-year-long relationship with a fellow Catholic. He is a wonderful person and has a very well developed moral code. He is skeptical of much of the Old Testament, and his approach to certain things is much more of a this-isn’t-hurting-anyone-and-I-have-the-best-intentions sort. Conversely, if I am morally uncertain about something I would rather abstain completely than commit something that can’t really be undone. Sex is a perfect example of this. Virginity can’t be “found.” Once you lose it, you lose it.
Let me clarify that my boyfriend isn’t just a college student looking for sleep with me. We love each other very deeply and sometimes it is so overwhelming that the words “I love you” aren’t really good enough. It’s like we need to express it some other way, that way being physical. His moral code sanctions sex between two people who love one another, as long as the person is an end in and of his/herself and not just the act. I’ve made it infinitely clear that I disagree, and he has barely pressured me at all. He has reconciled himself to the fact that I will not under any circumstances have intercourse.
Yet, he cannot understand why oral sex is out of the question too. He doesn’t buy the sex-must-be-for-procreative-ends argument, and frankly, that’s not really my reasoning either. So if you all could offer arguments besides that, I would very much appreciate it. I recognize the church’s stance on that and its validity, but I would like additional/different support if you can offer it, please.
I am not okay with anyone but my future husband seeing my body. For me, oral sex would be like giving part of myself away, and I want to give all of myself away one day, to one person. I want to be able to disclose my full sexual history to my spouse and not be ashamed. I want to be above reproach for that person, and by that, I mean that I never want him to have to wonder what I did and who I did it with. I feel like it is much more conducive to a faithful and respectful marriage. When I tried to explain this to my boyfriend, he seemed to think that what I meant was that I wanted to be “above reproach” in the sense that I wanted to hold the upper hand by being above criticism and invulnerable.
I love him very much and I feel guilty for not being able to “please him” or love him in that way. Sometimes I feel very selfish. He has expressed issue with my argument that I don’t want to give any of myself away because he seems to associate vulnerability and trust. As if by not “putting yourself out there” then you are holding something back in the relationship, or keeping one foot out the door.The thing is, I’ve given myself emotionally to him by giving him my heart, but I can’t give myself to anyone physically unless I am married. I need help explaining why to him.
These conversations are very difficult to have because there is a bit of an unspoken understanding of the potential longevity of the relationship, so it is hard for me to explain this in terms of my reasons being for “my future spouse” because it sounds as if I am holding out on him so that I can be fresh goods for someone else. I hope that is understandable to all of you.
We are both passionate people, and when we first started dating we encountered the problem of prolonged kissing or making-out (just kissing for long periods of time, no groping or genital contact at all), which always ended with both of us feeling disappointed and unfulfilled. We’ve since recognized this and reigned it in considerably for the benefit of our relationship. Since this is off of the table, we are constrained to very limited kissing, which makes both of us feel like our affection is severely hobbled. Still, I am resolved to maintain my virginity, and virginity to me is guarding my body, unlike the widespread belief among my fellow students that one can engage in “everything but” actual intercourse.
I just want to help him understand why my conscience is so adamant in this respect. I have difficulty articulating to him the reasons why I feel so compelled to do this. In most cases, he seems to think that the benefits oral sex would have to our relationship as an expression of love would outweigh the potential harm. Can you help me explain to him why this is wrong?
Additionally, I’m in a particularly difficult situation because the repression is beginning to take a toll on our relationship and I’m faced with the burden of realizing that perhaps my antiquated lifestyle will be the cause of ending a relationship with someone I could very realistically envision spending the rest of my life with.
He also doesn’t seem to realize that it is taking a very great deal of self-control on my end. It’s not as if I don’t have desires of my own simply because I’m a woman. I realize the male sex drive is perhaps more demanding that that of the female, but I’m still having to exercise a lot of restraint on my end while also shouldering the heaviness that comes with knowing I am disappointing him.
We’re young. We’re in college. But we’re mature and love one another. Still, I don’t know if he is mature enough to swallow the fact that we are both going to graduate school and won’t be on our feet for at least 5-7 years…and I won’t participate in anything more than PG-13 kissing (or with the leniency of ratings these days, probably more like PG) until I have a priest’s blessing and a wedding ring on my finger. The long term sustainability of our relationship seems very unlikely…and that is devastating.
Please help me make my boyfriend understand why I am so sexually strict by explaining why premarital oral sex, and sex, is wrong. I need more concrete support than my own personal reasons.
I’m a new member and new Catholic, recently confirmed.
I’m in college and in a nearly-year-long relationship with a fellow Catholic. He is a wonderful person and has a very well developed moral code. He is skeptical of much of the Old Testament, and his approach to certain things is much more of a this-isn’t-hurting-anyone-and-I-have-the-best-intentions sort. Conversely, if I am morally uncertain about something I would rather abstain completely than commit something that can’t really be undone. Sex is a perfect example of this. Virginity can’t be “found.” Once you lose it, you lose it.
Let me clarify that my boyfriend isn’t just a college student looking for sleep with me. We love each other very deeply and sometimes it is so overwhelming that the words “I love you” aren’t really good enough. It’s like we need to express it some other way, that way being physical. His moral code sanctions sex between two people who love one another, as long as the person is an end in and of his/herself and not just the act. I’ve made it infinitely clear that I disagree, and he has barely pressured me at all. He has reconciled himself to the fact that I will not under any circumstances have intercourse.
Yet, he cannot understand why oral sex is out of the question too. He doesn’t buy the sex-must-be-for-procreative-ends argument, and frankly, that’s not really my reasoning either. So if you all could offer arguments besides that, I would very much appreciate it. I recognize the church’s stance on that and its validity, but I would like additional/different support if you can offer it, please.
I am not okay with anyone but my future husband seeing my body. For me, oral sex would be like giving part of myself away, and I want to give all of myself away one day, to one person. I want to be able to disclose my full sexual history to my spouse and not be ashamed. I want to be above reproach for that person, and by that, I mean that I never want him to have to wonder what I did and who I did it with. I feel like it is much more conducive to a faithful and respectful marriage. When I tried to explain this to my boyfriend, he seemed to think that what I meant was that I wanted to be “above reproach” in the sense that I wanted to hold the upper hand by being above criticism and invulnerable.
I love him very much and I feel guilty for not being able to “please him” or love him in that way. Sometimes I feel very selfish. He has expressed issue with my argument that I don’t want to give any of myself away because he seems to associate vulnerability and trust. As if by not “putting yourself out there” then you are holding something back in the relationship, or keeping one foot out the door.The thing is, I’ve given myself emotionally to him by giving him my heart, but I can’t give myself to anyone physically unless I am married. I need help explaining why to him.
These conversations are very difficult to have because there is a bit of an unspoken understanding of the potential longevity of the relationship, so it is hard for me to explain this in terms of my reasons being for “my future spouse” because it sounds as if I am holding out on him so that I can be fresh goods for someone else. I hope that is understandable to all of you.
We are both passionate people, and when we first started dating we encountered the problem of prolonged kissing or making-out (just kissing for long periods of time, no groping or genital contact at all), which always ended with both of us feeling disappointed and unfulfilled. We’ve since recognized this and reigned it in considerably for the benefit of our relationship. Since this is off of the table, we are constrained to very limited kissing, which makes both of us feel like our affection is severely hobbled. Still, I am resolved to maintain my virginity, and virginity to me is guarding my body, unlike the widespread belief among my fellow students that one can engage in “everything but” actual intercourse.
I just want to help him understand why my conscience is so adamant in this respect. I have difficulty articulating to him the reasons why I feel so compelled to do this. In most cases, he seems to think that the benefits oral sex would have to our relationship as an expression of love would outweigh the potential harm. Can you help me explain to him why this is wrong?
Additionally, I’m in a particularly difficult situation because the repression is beginning to take a toll on our relationship and I’m faced with the burden of realizing that perhaps my antiquated lifestyle will be the cause of ending a relationship with someone I could very realistically envision spending the rest of my life with.
He also doesn’t seem to realize that it is taking a very great deal of self-control on my end. It’s not as if I don’t have desires of my own simply because I’m a woman. I realize the male sex drive is perhaps more demanding that that of the female, but I’m still having to exercise a lot of restraint on my end while also shouldering the heaviness that comes with knowing I am disappointing him.
We’re young. We’re in college. But we’re mature and love one another. Still, I don’t know if he is mature enough to swallow the fact that we are both going to graduate school and won’t be on our feet for at least 5-7 years…and I won’t participate in anything more than PG-13 kissing (or with the leniency of ratings these days, probably more like PG) until I have a priest’s blessing and a wedding ring on my finger. The long term sustainability of our relationship seems very unlikely…and that is devastating.
Please help me make my boyfriend understand why I am so sexually strict by explaining why premarital oral sex, and sex, is wrong. I need more concrete support than my own personal reasons.