Help! Need to know when it is okay to sever ties with a parent

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So, I’m in need of some advice; however, this is a pretty long story.

I was sexually abused by my older brother from the ages of 5 to 13. Now, I am 25, married and my and I are self-sufficient and have been for our entire marriage. In January 2013, I started seeing a therapist to resolve the trauma that I had suffered as a child, and to work through my explosive anger problems. I started to make a lot of progress and was digging deeply into my past to resolve the issues, which did not sit well with my mother and my brother. I broke off all contact with my brother in November 2011, and rarely interacted within him except when we were at family functions.

After I told my mother about the abuse, she said that (1) it was the Devil trying to destroy our family and (2) that I could under no circumstances tell my Dad or anyone else about it. This also happened to be while my mother was having an affair with a woman, and preparing to leave my father and file for divorce. My mother has been in counseling several times for pathological lying, and a few other issues that I don’t know the complete story on.

In March 2013, I broke off contact with my mother, because she was hurting my relationship with my wife, and was impeding my progress in therapy. My marriage had been in tatters through much of the three years we have been married due to my inability to handle my emotions in a healthy manner. My wife and I were getting through our own issues, and I was beginning to work through mine, so our marriage quickly improving in early 2013. After breaking off contact with my mother, my progress in therapy accelerated, my marriage improved and is now the best it has ever been.

In May, my wife became pregnant with our first child. At some point, my mother discovered we were expecting a child, and began telling her siblings she was ‘heartbroken and distraught’ over not having being in my life, and several times her sister asked me why I was so adamantly opposed to having my mother in my life. I was always very vague with my aunt, and when into details rarely, because I didn’t feel that it was her business.

About a week ago, I received an email from my mother saying that she wanted to reconnect. In the email, she proposed a plan (which made it sound like she had been going through therapy and resolving her issues for a while), and that she would bear the entire cost of the re-connection process. I was optimistic from the email that my mother had worked through and resolved her issues, and was ready to reconcile, which looking back on the information above makes me think that the notion was rather naive. I sent her an email back and gave her the contact information for my therapist stating that I was open to the process, and would like our counselors to touch basis to ensure they had an open line of communication. I also made it clear that I wanted to delay any meetings until April, because my baby is due on January 25th.

Late this past week, my mother calls my therapist leaving her a voice-mail asking my therapist to call her back to discuss billing. My therapist calls my mother back, and throughout the conversation my mother changes her statement on what percentage of the cost she will bear several times, ultimately getting frustrated and saying that, “[My son] wants this as much as I do, so he should have to bear half the cost.” My therapist politely (I am told by her) ended the conversation at that point. On Friday evening, my therapist and her counselor had a prolonged phone conversation, where it was made clear that (1) my mother lied about the reason why I had broken off contact, (2) lied about the significance of the abuse, even going so far as to say that it was my word against my brother’s word and that it was innocent curiosity and (3) lead her counselor to believe that the issues were minor and wouldn’t take but a few (less than 4) sessions to resolve.

Now, after learning all of this from my therapist over the weekend, I have decided to cut all ties with my mother, and shut her out of my life completely without the chance of her being let back in easily. I was willing to believe that she had changed, and that she was willing to work through her own issues to allow us to have a healthy relationship. However, her latest round of lies and manipulations proved that she is unwilling to change.

I know the commandment to honor thy father and mother, but how do you honor someone and have a relationship with them when they do this? Does honoring her require that I have a relationship with her, and thus to what extent? Or can you honor someone by allowing them to sail off on a path of self-destruction and pray for them? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I will pray for you. I’d highly recommend that you call up a Priest at your Parish and say you need to make an appointment. While I know you are already in counseling, I think it could help you get a perspective on handling the situation as a follower of Christ. I cannot tell you how much a Priest at my fiancée’s Parish has helped me already. God Bless.

JMR
 
I am sorry that you are suffering. This is such a sensitive issue that I don’t think anyone here would be able to give you good advice. We will pray for you and your family and I would recommend talking to a reliable priest.
 
Like the others here, I believe it would be a good idea to speak to your priest or another spiritual leader in your parish.

Did your therapist provide you with any opinion about cutting off contact?

It sounds as if you are okay morally with not staying in contact with your brother. It also sounds as if your mother may be as dangerous to you, even now and in her own way, as your brother was earlier in your life. Perhaps more so; if there’s anything more painful than abuse it’s someone else denying that it ever happened. Then of course there’s the emotional health of your marriage to consider, not to mention that of your wife and children. A grandmother in denial would not be especially safe for her grandchildren to be around.

Has your mother ever actually apologized for her actions, repented of them, asked you to forgive her while acknowledging what she did, what your brother did, and how much they hurt you? If not, she may be seeking reconnection for her own selfish and probably distorted reasons. It would be reconnection (reconciliation) at your expense, sought without any intention of taking responsibility for her actions.

I, too, have been trying to decide how much contact to maintain with my mother who has a history of supporting my brother at my expense. She cannot handle the fact that I want nothing to do with him, in spite of his being deceitful, manipulative, and verbally abusive. Since the matter often comes up, I have stopped calling my mother, though I do send her a card now and then.

Your situation is much more serious and traumatic than mine, however. I would certainly seek spiritual help regarding these issues.
 
I would also advise speaking to your Priest about this, but I agree that you are now making much progress in therapy, and to regress to the anger you had before just as you are about to have a new baby at home would be counter-productive. You do not want to damage your relationship to your wife and certainly not to your child.

Scriptures tell us to “leave your father and mother and cleave ONLY unto your wife” and I think that is excellent advice for you at this point. You need to continue healing, and do NOT need your mother bringing up these things again in your life and stirring up old angers and fears. Keep up with your therapy, speak to your Priest about this and change your email contact information so she cannot start sending some nasty emails to you to upset your present good family life or upset you and set you back in your progress through therapy. Good luck. We will all be praying for you. Those of us abused (by anyone) as children, have a hard time recovering. You are making great progress, don’t get set back at this point.
 
Feel free to cut off all contact with your family. I grew up in a bad household and had a horrible relationship with a parent. I never talked to him again for over twenty years until the day he died. I just worried about my family and lived my life for them. For a year you may suffer with missing them, but the farther away from him or her you get the better you will feel.

Good Luck. 👍
 
So, I’m in need of some advice; however, this is a pretty long story.

I was sexually abused by my older brother from the ages of 5 to 13. Now, I am 25, married and my and I are self-sufficient and have been for our entire marriage. In January 2013, I started seeing a therapist to resolve the trauma that I had suffered as a child, and to work through my explosive anger problems. I started to make a lot of progress and was digging deeply into my past to resolve the issues, which did not sit well with my mother and my brother. I broke off all contact with my brother in November 2011, and rarely interacted within him except when we were at family functions.

After I told my mother about the abuse, she said that (1) it was the Devil trying to destroy our family and (2) that I could under no circumstances tell my Dad or anyone else about it. This also happened to be while my mother was having an affair with a woman, and preparing to leave my father and file for divorce. My mother has been in counseling several times for pathological lying, and a few other issues that I don’t know the complete story on.

In March 2013, I broke off contact with my mother, because she was hurting my relationship with my wife, and was impeding my progress in therapy. My marriage had been in tatters through much of the three years we have been married due to my inability to handle my emotions in a healthy manner. My wife and I were getting through our own issues, and I was beginning to work through mine, so our marriage quickly improving in early 2013. After breaking off contact with my mother, my progress in therapy accelerated, my marriage improved and is now the best it has ever been.

In May, my wife became pregnant with our first child. At some point, my mother discovered we were expecting a child, and began telling her siblings she was ‘heartbroken and distraught’ over not having being in my life, and several times her sister asked me why I was so adamantly opposed to having my mother in my life. I was always very vague with my aunt, and when into details rarely, because I didn’t feel that it was her business.

About a week ago, I received an email from my mother saying that she wanted to reconnect. In the email, she proposed a plan (which made it sound like she had been going through therapy and resolving her issues for a while), and that she would bear the entire cost of the re-connection process. I was optimistic from the email that my mother had worked through and resolved her issues, and was ready to reconcile, which looking back on the information above makes me think that the notion was rather naive. I sent her an email back and gave her the contact information for my therapist stating that I was open to the process, and would like our counselors to touch basis to ensure they had an open line of communication. I also made it clear that I wanted to delay any meetings until April, because my baby is due on January 25th.

Late this past week, my mother calls my therapist leaving her a voice-mail asking my therapist to call her back to discuss billing. My therapist calls my mother back, and throughout the conversation my mother changes her statement on what percentage of the cost she will bear several times, ultimately getting frustrated and saying that, “[My son] wants this as much as I do, so he should have to bear half the cost.” My therapist politely (I am told by her) ended the conversation at that point. On Friday evening, my therapist and her counselor had a prolonged phone conversation, where it was made clear that (1) my mother lied about the reason why I had broken off contact, (2) lied about the significance of the abuse, even going so far as to say that it was my word against my brother’s word and that it was innocent curiosity and (3) lead her counselor to believe that the issues were minor and wouldn’t take but a few (less than 4) sessions to resolve.

Now, after learning all of this from my therapist over the weekend, I have decided to cut all ties with my mother, and shut her out of my life completely without the chance of her being let back in easily. I was willing to believe that she had changed, and that she was willing to work through her own issues to allow us to have a healthy relationship. However, her latest round of lies and manipulations proved that she is unwilling to change.

I know the commandment to honor thy father and mother, but how do you honor someone and have a relationship with them when they do this? Does honoring her require that I have a relationship with her, and thus to what extent? Or can you honor someone by allowing them to sail off on a path of self-destruction and pray for them? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Although I am just beginning to learn about the Catholic faith, I do not feel that I can give you spiritual advice, other than to speak to a priest. However, I feel we has some things in common.

My mother is scitzophrenic and both she and I were abused by her father as children (although she denies all of it now). She blames me for being institutionalized at one time and, although we speak through emails and online chats almost daily, I have not physically seen her in probably 4 years. There are many, many reasons for this that I won’t go into here.

In my heart, I feel that to love her and forgive her is to honor her. And, although it causes me daily stress (due to the nature of mot conversations), I do try to talk to her online at least once a day.

But, please, ask a priest for the correct answer. Good luck and I will pray for you.
 
I think you are morally OK to cut contact indefinitely with your mother and permanently with your brother. Putting your family first has borne good fruit for you, contact with them has been toxic and brought havoc into your family. For your comfort, at some point you can discuss this with a priest. He will not pressure for details you don’t want to talk about. He can also help you with any doubts you may have on the morality of the issue of severing ties with your mother.

It doesn’t get much worse than this! I am very very saddened to hear what you have had to deal with. I come from a wack-o family as well. I have shut the door on my abusive older sister three years ago and have never regretted it. If, one day, your mother does find some measure of sanity, repentance, and salvation then you can consider some very slow measured contact, but that is ONLY if you want to. Do whatever you need to do to protect yourself and your new family. *

PS: Congratulations about your new family member on the way! You are in my thoughts and prayers!*
 
OP, so sorry for this mess. If I were in your shoes I would be cutting off all contact.

Another thought…please, you and your wife make sure you have a will drawn up clearly stating who will be the guardian of your child if something should happen to you both. You do NOT want your family ever having a chance of getting hold of your child.
 
Many people cut off ties with their mothers, and other toxic relatives.

Right now in your life, you should be focusing on the joy of a new baby.

As a matter of fact, the Catholic faith states for us not to cause anyone else to sin.You are allowing your mother to sin more every time you haver contact.

Work on restoring peace within yourself, and thank God that you have a sound mind, and that He is leading you out of this. Your priority is to be fully present for your wife and new baby, and dealing with your mother right now will steal your focus and disrupt.
 
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and prayers! I had thought about contacting the parish pastor, and am going to this morning to set up an appointment.
Did your therapist provide you with any opinion about cutting off contact?
My therapist did recommend that I cut off ties with my mother back in March, but it was ultimately up to me to make the discussion. She simply encouraged me to take a look at everyone in my life to make sure that they were supporting me. When we spoke on Friday, she said to take a little bit of time to think and write down everything I’m feeling, and we can discuss at our next appointment.

I have learned that when I put my relationships in the correct order: God, spouse, and everyone else that my life does bear more fruit and everything seems to make more sense. After the baby comes, they’ll become more important than everyone else, become third in my life.

Thanks again to everyone for your thoughts and prayers! I really do appreciate them.
 
I am so sorry to hear all of this. I am glad that you are getting therapy and hope you continue.

I believe that you are correct to sever ties with your brother. Sexual assault is a terrible offense against you, God and of course criminally. I would never allow a child of mine near him.

From your post I have to suspect that your mother has deep seated issues that keep her from dealing with the horrors you have suffered. I think your father should know about this, but only when you are comfortable with that idea. I hope that there are no other family members with friends that might be allowing their children near your brother. Sorry, but I doubt his behavior has changed and that is very concerning.

I think your priority is your marriage and the coming of a new life into your lives. It may be necessary to be very restrictive with your mother in terms of her contact with you and your family. You may even be justified in cutting ties under the circumstances.

For those who may see this as a lack of forgiveness, I don’t think it is. Forgiveness does not mean refusing to hold people responsible for the wrong they have done, or failing to protect others from potential danger they may bring them to.

I will pray for you and your family.
 
I am certain that ‘Honour thy father and they mother.’ was designed as a commandment for unruly children with honourable parents.

How can you honour someone who is not honourable?
 
Hi,
I have a few thoughts on this.
  1. I wonder if your mom might have borderline personality disorder? You may want to read up on that, and see if it maybe seems like your mom. People who have this disorder are notoriously difficult to deal with, and often have family members cut them off.
  2. We have a similar situation in our family, with my husband who cut off contact with his mom. Being around her just made him ill, she is very toxic to be around, and is incredibly demanding and time-consuming to deal with her.
  3. Our kids know that they have a grandmother that they don’t know, and they seem to accept this. We just tell them that Daddy and his mother do not get along, and we don’t get into any details.
  4. The fact that my husband has cut off contact with his mom, makes it awkward and difficult with his brother who still does have a relationship. This definitely makes it strained, but we just have to live with that.
    Good luck, this is not easy. Ultimately, my husband realized that is part of his duty as a father, to keep his children from suffering harm (no matter where it comes from).
 
As an added note to my earlier post:

I have to wonder who else your brother victimized. It is highly likely that there are others suffering the same problems you are because of him. Are there cousins around your age he could have abused? Are there neighborhood friends? Are there other family members now, with small children he has access too?

I know this is hard and difficult beyond words. But your whole family needs to know about this and the sooner the better. Maybe, just maybe there is another person who needs to speak up because of him and is hurting. Your ability to tell your story could save a lot of people a lot of misery. It could even save a life.

We know of a family in which incest was so rampant it is sickening. The perpetrators never had just one victim. In that family there have been numerous suicides, and all of the young people that killed themselves had at one time or another been a victim of this predatory abuse. Please tell your father, your aunt, anyone who might have had a child exposed to your brother. He is dangerous and always will be.
 
I would definitely not let her near my family she has shown that she is not trustworthy to family members.she has had an affair with another woman.i would never let her establish a relationship with my child in your position it is your duty to protect your wife and baby.
 
As an added note to my earlier post:

I have to wonder who else your brother victimized. It is highly likely that there are others suffering the same problems you are because of him. Are there cousins around your age he could have abused? Are there neighborhood friends? Are there other family members now, with small children he has access too?
I need to make a clarification on my original post, because after rereading it I unintentionally left out a fact. I did tell my father in 2012, and he has been extremely supportive of my seeking therapy and help. I know he gets caught between what he perceives to be a rock and a hard place, because as he says he loves us both, we are both his sons, but what my brother did was wrong and he needs help. He does need help, but I cannot force him to get it.

I have wondered about if my brother has victimized anyone else, but I don’t know. There are cousins around my age, but I’ve been open with them and they were shocked to discover what had happened to me. Pretty much everyone I’ve opened up to about has been shocked, because it was so well hidden. (Don’t get me started on the fact that this was hidden from everyone for so long.)

However, it seems that whenever I open up to someone about this he ends up telling them this web of lies where it was a few isolated incidents that I am exaggerating. Then it ends up being a battle of he said vs he said, and I’m unwilling to fight that battle. There are details and such that I use for myself to nail down the timelines, but I’ve never had the strength to bring them forward.

Speaking of forgiveness for him and my mother, which a few of the previous posters mentioned. I have been working on getting to the point of being able to forgive him. As anyone who as been abused can tell you, the abuse inflicts a lot of pain and damage to your soul, and it takes time to get used to being able to feel again. I have spent my entire life blaming myself for what happened, and being angry at myself that I never stopped to figure out who is really to blame. I am working on forgiveness for both of them, and I’ve been offering my pains and hurts up to the Lord. Also, the rosary has been an amazing set of prayers for me. It is super calming, and I can feel the Blessed Mother’s love, which is beyond words at times.

Also, as an update, I did get some time set up to speak to my parish pastor about the situation and get his guidance on how to handle the situation.

Thank you everyone for your prayers and words of encouragement! My wife and I really appreciate it!
 
I need to make a clarification on my original post, because after rereading it I unintentionally left out a fact. I did tell my father in 2012, and he has been extremely supportive of my seeking therapy and help. I know he gets caught between what he perceives to be a rock and a hard place, because as he says he loves us both, we are both his sons, but what my brother did was wrong and he needs help. He does need help, but I cannot force him to get it.

I have wondered about if my brother has victimized anyone else, but I don’t know. There are cousins around my age, but I’ve been open with them and they were shocked to discover what had happened to me. Pretty much everyone I’ve opened up to about has been shocked, because it was so well hidden. (Don’t get me started on the fact that this was hidden from everyone for so long.)

However, it seems that whenever I open up to someone about this he ends up telling them this web of lies where it was a few isolated incidents that I am exaggerating. Then it ends up being a battle of he said vs he said, and I’m unwilling to fight that battle. There are details and such that I use for myself to nail down the timelines, but I’ve never had the strength to bring them forward.

Speaking of forgiveness for him and my mother, which a few of the previous posters mentioned. I have been working on getting to the point of being able to forgive him. As anyone who as been abused can tell you, the abuse inflicts a lot of pain and damage to your soul, and it takes time to get used to being able to feel again. I have spent my entire life blaming myself for what happened, and being angry at myself that I never stopped to figure out who is really to blame. I am working on forgiveness for both of them, and I’ve been offering my pains and hurts up to the Lord. Also, the rosary has been an amazing set of prayers for me. It is super calming, and I can feel the Blessed Mother’s love, which is beyond words at times.

Also, as an update, I did get some time set up to speak to my parish pastor about the situation and get his guidance on how to handle the situation.

Thank you everyone for your prayers and words of encouragement! My wife and I really appreciate it!
I am glad to hear that you have discussed this with your father and others. If there are others who have been victims I hope they come forward. Even one episode of such abuse is too many. No you can’t force your brother to get help.

In my experience such individuals do not respond to “rehab.” They usually continue their abuse with other children or even their own. As far as forgiving, that is a struggle I know. Still forgiving does not mean you are obligated to be silent or that you should not put such a person in jail.

Now this is for your information, and benefit of others who read this post: Did you know that if you are aware that a person is a child molester and you allow a child to be with them and that child is molested you can be found guilty of that crime also? You don’t have to be there. It just has to happen. Absolutely no one should let their children near your brother. They could land up, even you could land up, being prosecuted for child molestation if he repeats this offense on another child and you are aware of his history.

I learned this via program about child abuse approximately a month ago! I never knew until then. I will continue to pray for your family and this troubling issue. God’s Peace.
 
I prayed for you. I suggest reading CCC paragraphs 2214 - 2230. The rest, I think, is between you and your priest. As a Catholic, I would seek the advice of one or more priests over a secular therapist, though. Family relations from the Church’s perspective differs greatly at times from modern society - nothing shocking there. May Christ be with you!
 
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