HELP NEEDED: A mother's perspective and relationship advice

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Thank you for any advice you can give. Please bear with me, this is a long post but it is also very important to me. Please do not assume that I am playing the role of irrational, emotional teenager with the following post, because I really am not (though I suppose I will let you judge for yourself). Thank you again.

OK, here’s the skinny. To begin, I am a high school senior, almost 18, traveleing to Boston for college next year, and in October, I “refound” my faith (kicked some bad habits, changed my life some, got close to the church for the first time ever…etc.). Well, I met a wonderful (devoutly Catholic) girl in October, and she and her family really helped me get close to the church. It started then that I began to go to Mass once or twice per week. This increased to every day.

She and I have been dating (well, I would actually call it courting) since January, and although she is staying in Los Angeles for college, we would like to continue our relationship (and both of us are on the same page that dating is for marriage, both of us are virgins and refuse to have premarital sex, and we both feel that marriage is something that must wait until we are both done with school…this includes medical school. We have also already discussed our feelings regarding contraception vs. NFP and in marriage, both of us plan on using NFP). That’s not the dilemma, just a hurdle, but we have so far figured this one out.

Also as background, I have wonderful relationships with both of her parents as well as all of her siblings, and my parents and sister absolutely love her. When I say we are dating, it would be more appropriate to say that I am courting her, because I try to spend plenty of time with her family, and she does with mine. Our relationship is not simply based on fun; we have already gone through some trying events (nothign big between us, but rather with friends and family members, some pretty heavy stuff that might cause a breakdown in casual dating relationships).

Thanks to my parents (who dated long distance while my mother was in medical school at Georgetown and my father worked at a law firm in Los Angeles and suggested the following plan, and who offered to buy a plane ticket a month for one of us, as I was awarded a full-tuition scholarship at my chosen college), we will get to fly to see each other once a month (we plan on alternating months), and I will be home for summers, as well as the entire month of December. Now, though this may not be the easiest path, both of us feel that it will A) be a test of our relationship which we feel is very strong and B) allow us time to complete our studies without having more daily time constraints (clearing up one weekend a month in college will be easier than a few hours every day, and will give us both time to focus on our studies, which is important as we both want to go to medical school). So, though it may be tough, we both feel that this is a good decision and the right way to approach our relationship.

So, to summarize, we would like to maintain our relationship, and are not basing life-changing decisions (such as college) on it yet, because, of course, we still need to test it despite the fact that we feel this is the right thing for many reasons.

The only thing is this: her mother doesn’t think we are dating. I’ll be honest, the writing is on the wall, but I guess she just doesn’t assume that we are. Now, I think that we should tell her this at some point in the fairly near future, and we would like her support in our choice to maintain a long distance relationship. However, she has already expressed that she feels that anybody at our age is too young to think about dating. I respectfully disagree, and feel that my girlfriend and I are approaching this responsibly and thoughtfully.

Is there any way you feel that we could show her this, and gain her approval? I really do not want to be going behind her back, and would like to find a way to make this all work. I am trying to find a way to maintain my positive relationship with her mother. If anyone has some (name removed by moderator)ut into this situation, please let me know.

Eamon

As a sidenote, I acknowledge that it is uncommon for high school relationships to successfully end in marriage, but I respectfully request that you direct comments toward the aforementioned question, rather than telling me that we are crazy and bound to fail. If I had not already thought through this many times over, I wouldn’t even be posting. Thank you for your help.
 
DEFINATLY don’t do it behind the mothers back. As soon as she finds out (and she will), she will begin working on breaking up the relationship.

I dated long distance for about a year, my 1st year of college. I thought it was love, and so did he (we had baby names picked out!) At about a year, his mother decided that he needed to “get around”, and he was too young for a serious relationship, and we broke up. His mother wrote me a note about a year later to apologize to me for doing that. I guess I’ll never really know how hard it was for him. I was already dating my future husband at the time. Lesson to the story- DONT underestimate what a mother can do to end a relationship (especially one where she is doing more communicating to your girlfriend than you are.)

My advice- you and she sit down together with her mother(and father too, either to explain to him also, or have him help you) and lay out your future plans. Tell her how much you love and care for her daughter, that you are planing on finishing school, the importance of chastity, etc. PROVE to her that you are indeed mature enough for this kind of commitment. If she refuses her blessing, respectfully disagree, and know that at 18 you are both old enough to elope, and therefore old enough to determine if you want to date (I prefer the term “court”). You will have plenty of time to win her over and prove her wrong! But always be respectful- she might very well be your future mother-in-law!

Now, a few words of advice for long distance relationships, when visiting with each other- be VERY careful to protect you chastity, the euphoria of seeing someone you love after a long period of time, especially without responsible supervision (especially at night), will tend to lead into increasingly intimate situations- (speaking from regretable experience :() College itself (especially dorms) have an environment where all kinds of things happen, underage and excesive drinking, drug use, and people who will throw themselves at you physically. It is VERY easy to slide down the path of sin. You and your girlfriend cling to the Lord, and God bless your relationship.
 
Well, you’re old enough to be dating, even courting. And you both sound serious.

But–you are both just starting college and will be going to medical school, which you intend to finish before marriage. So that’s 8 yrs of a long distance relationship that you’re contemplating. Courting for 8 yrs yet putting marriage on hold.

That’s asking a lot of a long distance relationship.
 
First of all, if her mother thinks you are not dating her daughter, what does she think?

How would she respond to what you wrote above? I would seriously consider printing it off, word for word, and letting her read it. I am not even a mother and it touched my heart.

You sound like a very mature, responsible young man. The type of young man any mother would be proud to know her daughter is dating.

Yes, the courtship would be long as well as long distance. But that is your and your girlfriend’s decision to make. If you two think this is something that could work for you, go for it! What you propose sounds like a very reasonable solution.(congrats to your parents for being so supportive).

*You are NOT rushing into marriage or engagement.
  • You are both pursuing your seperate goals with the hopes of being together when you are both finished.
*You are both committed to chastity in your relationship.

When you wrote:

“So, to summarize, we would like to maintain our relationship, and are not basing life-changing decisions (such as college) on it yet, because, of course, we still need to test it despite the fact that we feel this is the right thing for many reasons.”
That is amazing insight for someone so young. With that attitude you will succeed. You recognize that this relationship feels right but are willing to take the time required to prove that it is right for life. More people twice your age would be lucky to have such wisdom.

Good luck with your girlfriend’s mom, college, and life!!!

Malia
 
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JimG:
Well, you’re old enough to be dating, even courting. And you both sound serious.

But–you are both just starting college and will be going to medical school, which you intend to finish before marriage. So that’s 8 yrs of a long distance relationship that you’re contemplating. Courting for 8 yrs yet putting marriage on hold.

That’s asking a lot of a long distance relationship.
I recognize this. We are actually hoping that we will get into the same med schools (or some that are close to each other). But, my parents dated for 8-9 years before they got married. So, I know it is a while, but I feel like it’s worth the wait. I just pray that my marriage can be as good as theirs has been and continues to be.

Eamon
 
Siena, thanks for the advice. I suppose one advantage of her living at home is that we will have adult supervision at least initially, so I think this will be helpful, despite our commitments to chastity.
Feanaro's Wife:
First of all, if her mother thinks you are not dating her daughter, what does she think?
I believe that she thinks that we are just really good friends. Thanks for the support and advice. It is very helpful.

Eamon
 
turboEDvo,
I don’t have any advice. I just wanted to tell you that I hope my teenage brothers are as mature and faithful to God when they are your age. Please pray for the younger one; he will need to make some changes before he can put God first in his life.

my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
 
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turboEDvo:
Siena, thanks for the advice. I suppose one advantage of her living at home is that we will have adult supervision at least initially, so I think this will be helpful, despite our commitments to chastity.
I was cautioning that b/c you said your family will buy 1 ticket a month to the alternating destinations, that means half the time they expect her to come to you at school. (With her families approval???) I highly caution against that.
 
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Siena:
I was cautioning that b/c you said your family will buy 1 ticket a month to the alternating destinations, that means half the time they expect her to come to you at school. (With her families approval???) I highly caution against that.
We have yet to see how all of the details work out. If I have to fly home every month, I will. I just thought it would be nice if she could come to Boston once in a while, but I do understand your concern and for a while, I suppose I might just be the one doing all of the flying.

Eamon
 
btw, in regards to your g/f visiting boston…you WILL make female friends at college, and once you are comfortable enough to ask, your g/f could easily stay in one of their rooms but spend her days and evenings with you.

or, you could ask around at your Neumann Center for any Catholic girl willing to have a roommate for the weekend (even if she was willing to give her $20/weekend or something like that). i was an outreach minister at the campus center in college and we constantly got requests like that.
 
Also, I don’t know if you’ve enrolled yet, but when you do…

Be ultra careful with your schedule and try to keep your Fridays as open as possible, especially in the afternoon. That way you can jam to the airport and not waste your Saturday flying and then flying back on Sunday. Boston to LA is a long flight, especially with connections and delays. 🙂
 
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Princess_Abby:
Also, I don’t know if you’ve enrolled yet, but when you do…

Be ultra careful with your schedule and try to keep your Fridays as open as possible, especially in the afternoon. That way you can jam to the airport and not waste your Saturday flying and then flying back on Sunday. Boston to LA is a long flight, especially with connections and delays. 🙂
Yeah, I don’t know if I can stay totally free on Fridays, but I think can have my classes finished before 3. Since I’ll have a car, I can make it to the airport quickly after that, and be in LA by about 11 (Jetblue flies nonstop for like $129 a way, which is pretty good compared to the prices I have seen). Thanks for the info.

Eamon
 
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turboEDvo:
Is there any way you feel that we could show her this, and gain her approval? I really do not want to be going behind her back, and would like to find a way to make this all work. I am trying to find a way to maintain my positive relationship with her mother. If anyone has some (name removed by moderator)ut into this situation, please let me know.

Eamon
I sense the mother is simply worried about long term relationships with college just starting. It doesn’t seem to be that she’s concerned about you being a good match for her daughter, just that she wishes her daughter didn’t have to think about matches at this juncture in her life.

Do you realize how rare it is for young people to appreciate and believe in ‘courtship’ as opposed to dating? You have spent so much time with her daughter and the family, certainly you have a strong enough relationship with them to sit down at the table together and share with them what you just did with us. By starting off making the distinction between courtship and dating then following up by showing how the two of you seek one over the other, it may be what the mom needs to relax.

I can’t imagine any parent being offended or worried by a suitor expressing his honorable intent towards their daughter. If your girlfirend and you express yourselves clearly how could they be anything but proud and supportive?

Are you worried her mother would put her foot down and say you can’t see each other? If so, then both being 18 the mother’s objection would become a personal hurdle for the two of you but not the end of your relationship. Listen carefully to her concerns - whatever they may be - because those are the issues you will have to prove to her are protected by your actions over time.

It doesn’t mean the two of you have to stop your plans for your courtship. You certainly wouldn’t continue the relationship behind the mother’s back - that would not be a sign of maturity. Instead, you would thank her for her concerns and assure her the two of you will continue to work toward earning her trust and support as you proceed with your courtship because her support means so much to you.

Keep in mind, however, that the two of you need to pray over your long-distance relationship and remain open to the possibility it may not end up in marriage. God’s will will be done, but you can be certain every moment you have together will be a blessing God sends to you.

Best of luck to you and your girlfriend in your studies and your relationship.
 
What is the worst that could happen… I mean, If she says no, would you be the obedient child and completely respect her wishes, and if you do, what about your relationship?
 
YinYangMom, you gave really good advice. You made me remember when I was going off to college (fall of '03) and dating my ex-boyfriend. Mom advised me to break up with him. Now I wish I had…but he did call me every night and cheer me up when I was depressed, so it all worked out.

No matter what, pray for your future wife! I did that before I ever met DH and I think it helped. Even if you don’t have a clue who your future wife will be (or if you’re really hoping that she is your girlfriend), pray for her every day.

my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
 
WOW! You have totally WOW’d me. You sound so mature and have given this whole situation a lot of thought. I give both of you so much credit for that. Your committment to each other and to God is evident.

As a mother I would definitely want to know the truth. I thought the idea one poster had to print off your original post and let her read it was good. It says everything.

May God bless both of you. Stand firm in your faith and let God show you the way. :gopray:
 
Don’t know what anyone else thinks but I hope you both make it through med school and into practice–we could use more docs like you both in the world!

As for dealing with the woman who could become your future mother-in-law, consider you are starting a relationship that could last the rest of your life, so think about what you value in a long-term relationship. Things like openess, honesty, trust, patience and a sense of humor leap to mind!! Be transparent in your interactions, provide her with reasonable information and seek her advice and patiently defer to her opinion/preference whenever possible. If she knows she can trust you and that you have her daughter’s best interest in mind she will grow to trust and respect you.

I have to confess I’m a little confused by the notion that she has no idea you and your girlfriend have a serious relationship. Does your girlfriend ever converse with her mother? Is there some other rift or distance in their relationship that could explain this gap of information?

Best of luck–you both sound ambitious yet thoughtful and well-grounded. You know you are also taking on a big challenge in terms of the long-distance commuting relationship. I will suggest from experience that the distance may lead to gaps in your relationship. It is not fatal to take a break from it at some point. Eventually you will need to get yourselves into the same zip code. The fact that your parents attemped and pulled off a similar effort a generation ago does not guarantee it’s right for you or your girlfriend. Yours is a unique relationship with totally different participants–so don’t expect to conform your life to someone else’s script, but be flexible as you navigate your own path.
 
Count me among those who find you to be an extraordinarily mature young man!

My oldest son and his fiance chose 2 different colleges, also. Even though they were in the same state, both had very high goals and heavy curriculums. My son will be finished with college in 5 weeks, while his fiance is halfway thru her Masters program. They see each other every 2-3 weeks on average, and today’s technology has helped them to stay in touch on a very regular basis. They started “courting” in high school, but it wasn’t until their 2nd year of college that they realized they want to share their entire lives together. Both have said that the distance has helped to keep them chaste, and when they marry in June of '06 they will be virgins.

My own husband and I had to endure a couple of years of long-distance marriage, when he was accepted into grad school in another state and I was pregnant. It is not easy, but it can be done.

Perhaps her mother is worried that she will not finish college if she falls in love. I can tell you from first hand experience that it can be done. Best of luck to you both in your educations and your life together!
 
Island Oak:
I have to confess I’m a little confused by the notion that she has no idea you and your girlfriend have a serious relationship. Does your girlfriend ever converse with her mother? Is there some other rift or distance in their relationship that could explain this gap of information?
To be honest… I have a great relationship with my mother. She and I talk a lot, but she does tend to be more “unapproachable” on some topics (especially this one). Also, my older sister just broke up with a boy Mom didn’t like. This didn’t go well, and I don’t want Mom to think that I will be like my older sister with guys. That is the main dilemma. Thanks for all your advice!
 
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turboEDvo:
As a sidenote, I acknowledge that it is uncommon for high school relationships to successfully end in marriage, but I respectfully request that you direct comments toward the aforementioned question, rather than telling me that we are crazy and bound to fail. If I had not already thought through this many times over, I wouldn’t even be posting. Thank you for your help.
You sound like a very good and wise young man. High school relationships can indeed end in marriage and my husband and I are an example of that (married 30 years). As others have recommended here, do talk with your girlfriend’s parents and be up front with them. They will appreciate your honesty and forthrightness. It would be great if you and your girlfriend could attend the same college or at least colleges in close proximity. I wish you the best of luck. My prayers are with you and your girlfriend. :tiphat:
 
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