Help on Dating, the Eucharist, annulments

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So say someone who is divorced starts dating and also will start an Annulment process.
Is dating regardless of starting the process a mortal sin? Or does that apply only to engagement/remarrying? Because I know those remarried without an annulment cannot receive the Eucharist.

What words should be said, to perhaps encourage someone to not feel lonely having God at their side, and live chastley, etc?

Thanks.
 
I_am_learning said:
So say someone who is divorced starts dating and also will start an Annulment process.
Is dating regardless of starting the process a mortal sin? Or does that apply only to engagement/remarrying? Because I know those remarried without an annulment cannot receive the Eucharist.

What words should be said, to perhaps encourage someone to not feel lonely having God at their side, and live chastley, etc?

Thanks.
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The person is (all things being equal) presumed to be validly married and is to act accordingly. As being a married person (divorce does nothing to a valid marriage…)
 
Persons who commit a mortal sin - yes are not to receive the Eucharist until they have repented and been absolved in confession.
 
Without an annulment, one is typically presumed married, when the question would be whether dating someone other than one’s spouse would be a mortal sin :eek:, which answers itself :cool:.

Pax Christi
 
Contrary to what most say on this forum it is not a mortal sin to “date” while seeking a decree of nullity. It is imprudent. One should guard their heart and not get serious or intent on marriage until they know they are free.

But no, not a mortal sin in and of itself. It could lead a person to do things that are grave matter. It could also profoundly hurt the other person if a decree of nullity does not co e through.

I wouldn’t do it. But again, I would not say it is itself a mortal sin. Each case is different, some cases for nullity are more clear cut than others.

When in doubt, consult your pastor and not the Internet.
 
1ke said:
But no, not a mortal sin in and of itself.
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Breaking one’s presumed vow of fidelity, before being released from it via an annulment, is at the very least venially sinful.

Pax Christi
 
Augustine said:
Breaking one’s presumed vow of fidelity,
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I don’t know what kinds of dates you are thinking of, but going for coffee to get to know someone is not “breaking a vow of fidelity”, and I would not say it is sinful at all. I think it is imprudent to give one’s heart, even dating chastely.

Again, I would it do it, I think it is imprudent, but I don’t think it is sinful, and I definitely don’t believe we can make any blanket statements, some cases are more clear cut than others. Lack of form does not even have a presumption of validity.
 
1ke said:
I don’t know what kinds of dates you are thinking of, but going for coffee to get to know someone…
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Getting to know someone else with romantic intentions is breaking the marriage vow of fidelity.

Pax Christi
 
1ke said:
I disagree.
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Are you married? If so, would you not feel that your spouse had betrayed his or her vow of fidelity to you if he or she had met someone for a coffee because he or she was attracted to her or him and was testing the waters for a possible romantic involvement?

Pax Christi
 
Augustine said:
Are you married? If so, would you not feel that your spouse had betrayed his or her vow of fidelity to you if he or she had met someone for a coffee because he or she was attracted to her or him and was testing the waters for a possible romantic involvement?

Pax Christi
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When one is pursuing a decree of nullity, one is divorced and believes they have an invalid marriage attempt-- they had grounds to submit a case, which would indicate a belief that they do not in fact have a valid marriage bond. And, in many cases (lack of form) it is not just a belief but also a fact.

I, on the other hand, have no such belief about my marriage.
 
Augustine said:
Getting to know someone else with romantic intentions is breaking the marriage vow of fidelity.
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Why do you presume that “romantic intentions” are involved? Sometimes it is nice to just enjoy a new person’s company.
 
1ke said:
When one is pursuing a decree of nullity, one is divorced and believes they have an invalid marriage attempt-- they had grounds to submit a case, which would indicate a belief that they do not in fact have a valid marriage bond.
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The petitioner is neither jury nor judge of their own case. This would be just sinful presumption.

Pax Christi
 
Tim_D said:
Why do you presume that “romantic intentions” are involved? Sometimes it is nice to just enjoy a new person’s company.
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Understandings around dating vary, but typically it involves romantic intentions. But it did not presume, but rather added as a conditional whose absence would not apply to everything that followed in my statement.

Pax Christi
 
Augustine said:
Understandings around dating vary, but typically it involves romantic intentions. But it did not presume, but rather added as a conditional whose absence would not apply to everything that followed in my statement.

Pax Christi
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Rubbish. I’ve been out with girls without having romantic intentions. Sometimes people simply like to enjoy life a little. You would prefer people simply sitting in a room alone with the tv for the rest of their lives?
 
Augustine said:
The petitioner is neither jury nor judge of their own case. This would be just sinful presumption.

Pax Christi
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You just see sin everywhere it seems. You can post to me as much as you like, it doesn’t change my opinion on this matter: NOT mortal sin.

I said I think it’s imprudent. I said I wouldn’t do it. But it’s not a **mortal **sin.
 
1ke said:
You just see sin everywhere it seems. You can post to me as much as you like, it doesn’t change my opinion on this matter: NOT mortal sin.

I said I think it’s imprudent. I said I wouldn’t do it. But it’s not a **mortal **sin.
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I’m shocked. This position seems so out of character for you.
 
1ke said:
It’s what I think.

I don’t think it rises to grave matter.
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It is just an anomaly in your posting history. If you showed me a `1000 posts of yours and then this, with no names attached I would never attribute it to the great 1ke!

I suppose the “it is imprudent” part we agree on but I guess even Michael Jordan missed a couple of shots right?

Just in case, can you tell me that you are ok? That someone did not steal your identity online?
Quick, say something 1keish that is dead on…😉
 
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