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[bibleguy180]

Alright, guess I’ll share my thinking.

Bible passages supporting sola scriptura

1 Corinthians 4:6-7
" 6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. 7 For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"

Luke 1: 1-4
1Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

Matthew 4
When Jesus is tempted by the devil, he says “it is written”, referring to scripture. Scripture alone was enough to defeat Satan.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

End of Revelation, basically says if you add to these words you will be blotted out of the Book of Life.

 

[Church_Militant]

Alright, guess I’ll share my thinking.

Bible passages supporting sola scriptura

1 Corinthians 4:6-7
" 6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. 7 For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"

Luke 1: 1-4
1Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

Matthew 4
When Jesus is tempted by the devil, he says “it is written”, referring to scripture. Scripture alone was enough to defeat Satan.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

End of Revelation, basically says if you add to these words you will be blotted out of the Book of Life.

I can answer these from my blog.

The reference in Revelation clearly applies to Revelation itself and nowhere even infers application to the whole Bible.

Look at what it actually says and not what someone has told you it means.

Revelation 22:[16] I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star. [17] And the spirit and the bride say: Come. And he that heareth, let him say: Come. And he that thirsteth, let him come: and he that will, let him take the water of life, freely. [18] For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book. [20] He that giveth testimony of these things, saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

Refuting the fundamental modern error of Sola Scriptura.
Infallibility & How The Apostles Taught the Study of Sacred Tradition.
Tradition? No way!

 

[Liraco]

The bible is certainly important but it’s not the ONLY thing, and that’s the problem.

I’ll agree with you that the Bible is materially sufficient but not formally sufficient (meaning that it contains all material of divine revelation explicitly or implicitly but ALSO requires an infallible Tradition/Magisterium to interpret.) That’s how we came to know the Trinity, Jesus’ diving and human nature, and what books belong in the Bible.

As Dei Verbum ( paragraph #10) puts it:
*the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.

It is clear, therefore, that sacred tradition, Sacred Scripture and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God’s most wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others, and that all together and each in its own way under the action of the one Holy Spirit contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.*

Does Paul not tell us “I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you.” 1 Cor 11:2
and
“Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours” 2 Thes 2:15 (because remember that not absolutely everything was written as there wouldn’t be enough books to contain it all).

1st Corinthians does indeed show that one shouldn’t do things that contradict the faith and are unbiblical which, ironically, sola scriptura is. The book was never meant to stand alone without a teaching authority to keep people from going astray.

We’re fallible and therefore prone to error. How do you know you’re right, that your inspiration comes from the Holy Spirit and not elsewhere? A quick glance at protestantism in general would lead an outsider to think the “holy spirit” schizophrenic as some “through the Holy Spirit” come to see divorce, birth control, and abortion as legitimately backed by the bible while others don’t. Sola scriptura led them to that, so by what authority can you say they are wrong? But there MUST be a truth, right? We’re supposed to “Test ALL things and hold fast to that which is good”.

Simply put, Sola Scriptura is like saying Jesus did unnecessary things or wasted people’s time by instituting a Church with authority if the Bible is all that’s necessary to save yourself at the exclusion of all other things. But Jesus very clearly commands what the Church and Peter is to do, so there we’d have a problem.

I see no table of contents within scripture itself telling us which books should and shouldn’t stay, not to mention Jesus and others in the new testament mention scripture passages not contained in the cut-down protestant version (which would have been even shorter if Luther was to have his way). How can you trust a book as inerrant if it does not provide within itself a way to prove what belongs in it? It didn’t fall from the sky, and the Catholic Church didn’t declare the canon on a whim. I don’t see how you accept the Church’s book but then deny all other authority (EXCEPT its authority to proclaim the book you hold as the written word of God).

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Bibleguy, I just wonder if you realize that you’re leaving the Church which Jesus founded (Matthew 16:18 “you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.”);

the Church He gave authority to (Luke 10:16, “Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”);

and that you’re leaving the the body of which He is the head ( Colossians 1:18 “He is the head of the body, the church.”), the body responsible for the book you’re leaving her for. It’s almost like a bride leaving the husband but keeping the beautiful ring.

I’ll be praying for you to find your way back sooner than later. God bless you.

 

[Des]

Matthew 4
When Jesus is tempted by the devil, he says “it is written”, referring to scripture. Scripture alone was enough to defeat Satan.

Are you so confident to put yourself in Jesus’ position, the infallible interpreter of His own Written Word, where you would never lead one astray by your own misunderstanding?

And 2 Timothy 3:16-17 especially, has been refuted to death on this forum or any Catholic forum for that matter, so I question just how much you gave Catholicism a chance before considering the move to church shop. Only yourself and God knows this answer but it would be unfair to Him and to your parents to ‘move out’ so to speak, without searching for the many Cathoic rebuttles to these ‘proofs’ the typical Protestant has.
However, it does appear you’re asking questions now which is a good sign.

Regarding 2 Timothy, first, look to understand in context here, who a ‘Man of God’ was. It wasn’t just some ‘Joe’ picked out of the crowd and sent to teach because he knew what the Old Testament said, word for word. Paul said to him before that verse:

But continue thou in those things which thou hast learned, and which have been committed to thee: knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

So Paul, an Apostle of the Church and of the Gentiles, taught Timothy what He had learned. Now with that understanding, Timothy had the proper teachings already instilled in him, so that the Old Testament (not the New Testament) could now complete His work when teaching, correcting, or instructing the unlearned.

You see, a Catholic can easily say that the Scriptures ‘complete’ a Priest when He teaches in Mass but we know it isn’t all He needs. However I bet people when hearing this, wouldn’t be fooled into believing we meant that ‘Scripture alone’ completes a Priest because they’d understand the full context of which it was spoken.

To put it simply, 2 Timothy never uses the word ‘Scripture alone’ though that is always a big assumption by most Protestants.