Help! "pro-choice" Bible verses and how can i combat them

[franny50]

Sometimes all we can do is present our view and pray that the other person has a conversion of heart.Ther are those of us who are prolife and those who are prochoice.Should we give up a friendship over a difference of opinion.I am a democrat and prolife from cradle to grave.The only exception I make is if the mothers life is in danger.Yet there are a lot of fellow democrats who disagree with me,but we agree on other issues like social and economic justice.

 

[po18guy]

for the record, the point made was that the Bible was not against abortion, not Catholicism, so she won’t be happy if i use the Catechism. i already made the point that i could provide the many historical writings from the Catholic church supporting my view, and she replied with, “my point is proven.”

However the bible came from the same Church that produced the catechism. Additionally, the catechism uses scripture in support of its opposition to abortion - that is why I suggest it. The two are inseparable. If your opponent challenges that, the error is theirs. The evil which promotes abortion lies and causes every sort of twisting and denial of the Truth in support of abortion. Your friend can see this in the devil’s twisting of scripture in his temptation of Christ (Matthew 4:6, Luke 4:10-11). The devil twisted scripture and your friend is a victim of the same twisting. That is the very nature of evil. Not that your friend is evil, but they are unwittingly doing the work of evil, while mistakenly believing that it is some sort of “right” - a right that existed nowhere on earth before America in 1971.

There is no pat answer that will instantly convert her. No easy way to change her heart. You are going to have to do your research and pray for her. Begin with prayer and keep the dialog open.

 

[Beth_Cecilia]

for the record, the point made was that the Bible was not against abortion, not Catholicism, so she won’t be happy if i use the Catechism. i already made the point that i could provide the many historical writings from the Catholic church supporting my view, and she replied with, “my point is proven.”

That is the problem with sola scriptura. Anyone can prove anything, and claim it is the word of God. I have seen homosexuality upheld by scripture. Murder has been condoned. Slavery, of course. Racism. Infanticide. Genital mutilation. Antisemitism. Misogynism. Anti-Science. You have to take scripture in its full context which means not just in its own context, but in the context of the tradition of the Church. Unless her point is that scripture can be easily abused, she has not made her point.

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

If I ever encounter a pro-choice advocate who actually wants to argue based on the Bible, I’m going to tell him to his face to shove his vile sophistry you-know-where.

Their utterly transparent goal with the whole concept is not actually to prove that the Bible supports a pro-choice view. What this argument really does for them - regardless of who “wins” - is return the debate to purely theological grounds.

That’s what they want. They want it to look like the pro-life view is based on specific religions’ doctrines and theologies, rather than on basic, universal, secularly-accessible ethics.

Tell this pro-choice advocate that what the Bible says has nothing to do with how laws are made or enforced in our nation, and that you’re not interested in arguing theology with him or her.

 

[rockinlissy]

i did end up including the Catechism teachings, but only after i formed some good arguments on my own (and with info gleaned here; thank you!!). then i threw in these links for good measure: fetalfacts.net/The_Issues_Distortions_From_The_Pro_Choice_Movement.aspx
americanrtl.org/Bible

i also quoted the ultrasound-guided abortion chapter in “unPlanned” by abby johnson. that was a bit petty of me, but i wanted to make the point that babies feel pain in the womb (she came back with, “they’re just zygotes, a piece of dandruff has my DNA and you could clone me, but dandruff isn’t a human being.” )

thanks so much again to everyone here, y’all are AWESOME. she hasn’t replied yet, and i don’t really see how she can, but stranger things have happened.

 

[praxising]

“they’re just zygotes, a piece of dandruff has my DNA and you could clone me, but dandruff isn’t a human being.” ).

I’m not sure it sounds like she knows much about human reproduction. “It’s just a zygote” when? Before you know you are pregnant? Can she even define “zygote” without looking it up? Does she know when there is a functioning neural system and pain receptors?

I once met a former prostitute who used abortion as a means of birth control. Everything changed for her when she saw a picture of a fetus at about 12 weeks. I think education works better than haranguing people with moral codes. She cancelled her next scheduled abortion. If it is true that this is an intrinsic part of human (in the Church sense of that word) nature, to protect the unborn person, then just knowing it is a person, really seems to help.

 

[honestquestions]

Alright, my mind is open. Please make your argument for killing babies.

Peace

Tim

Please make your argument for why you call a six week embryo a baby. Please stick to scientific terms to avoid confusion. Is sperm also a baby now too? When you have natural “wet dreams” because you aren’t releasing semen/sperm often enough (and therefore it must release), is that a loss of life too?

 

[StTommyMore]

Please make your argument for why you call a six week embryo a baby. Please stick to scientific terms to avoid confusion. Is sperm also a baby now too? When you have natural “wet dreams” because you aren’t releasing semen/sperm often enough (and therefore it must release), is that a loss of life too?

At the moment of conception, the fertilized egg has its own DNA unique from either parent, making it an individual of the human species.

 

[Orogeny]

Please make your argument for why you call a six week embryo a baby. Please stick to scientific terms to avoid confusion. Is sperm also a baby now too? When you have natural “wet dreams” because you aren’t releasing semen/sperm often enough (and therefore it must release), is that a loss of life too?

You ask for scientific terms, yet you ask about sperm? Using scientific terms, please explain the difference - strictly scientifically - between a sperm and a six week old embryo. Then ask your question again.

Is “baby” a scientific term?

To answer your question, I call a six week old embryo a human because it has a unique set of DNA. It is the combination obtained from both the mother and the father, yet it is neither of those two. What else can you call it - scientifically?

In scientific terms, when does life begin? When is it a human - again, only using science, not legal definitions.

Now that I have replied to you, I repeat my request. Please give me your argument for killing babies. Is it because it is equivalent to a wet dream to you?

Peace

Tim

 

[brumano]

Please make your argument for why you call a six week embryo a baby. Please stick to scientific terms to avoid confusion. Is sperm also a baby now too? When you have natural “wet dreams” because you aren’t releasing semen/sperm often enough (and therefore it must release), is that a loss of life too?

A six week old human being is in what is called the embryonic stage of development after that comes what is called the fetal stage of development after they are born they are said to be in the neo-natal stage then the pediatric then the adult stage then the geriatric. Your life like all of our lives are in a continuum of life that begins at the moment that we are conceived and ends at the moment that we actually die. No one including even your own mother has the right to take your life; it’s yours, you’ve got it you do as you do with it, that’s your right, just don’t think that includes the right to kill the unborn because it doesn’t.
Your other questions really demonstrate the typical thinking level of pro abortionists, so maybe you should ask one of them.

 

[brumano]

A six week old human being is in what is called the embryonic stage of development after that comes what is called the fetal stage of development after they are born they are said to be in the neo-natal stage then the pediatric then the adult stage then the geriatric. Your life like all of our lives are in a continuum of life that begins at the moment that we are conceived and ends at the moment that we actually die. No one including even your own mother has the right to take your life; it’s yours, you’ve got it you do as you do with it, that’s your right, just don’t think that includes the right to kill the unborn because it doesn’t.
Your other questions really demonstrate the typical thinking level of pro abortionists, so maybe you should ask one of them.

Forgot the adolescent stage between the pediatric and the adult stage.