Help Put The Ban On Homosexual Marriage

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Well, regardless of what any local, state, federal, international or intergalactic law states, marriage is between a man and a woman, period. Man-made law just doesn’t have anything to do with it and it’s completely irrelevant. If God recognizes a marriage, then he recognizes it regardless of what any law states. A law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman doesn’t make that any more true than it is already. I don’t need a law to affirm that for me; I already know it’s a fact. Neither does a law that recognizes homosexual marriage make that legitimate.

The first poster made a comment about “don’t give homosexuals the right to sin”. Well, they never have had a right to sin, they don’t have that right now, and they never will have the right to sin regardless of what any new law does or does not state about marriage. The sin is still a sin, and such marriages are still illegitimate. If Congress passed a law tomorrow that stated that “the sky is purple with pink polka dots”, “drinking bleach is good for you”, or “the Bible was written by a talking dog”, it wouldn’t make these things true, either. I don’t recognize any governmental definition of marriage, whatever that definition is, as having any significance or credibility whatsoever.
 
Why worry over Gay people??
If thats there choice to be tied together then let them do it.🤷
Its non of anyones bussiness, If that thats there choice and its been made legal…
Nobody is perfect…If we was all perfect then the World would be boring…

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whiteknite said:
Why worry over Gay people??
If thats there choice to be tied together then let them do it.🤷
Its non of anyones bussiness, If that thats there choice and its been made legal…
Nobody is perfect…If we was all perfect then the World would be boring…

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No. It’s a sin.
 
Nickkname said:
No. It’s a sin.
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I’m not realy sure if they realy care if it is a sin or not…
You ever seen the state of half the Gay people around??
Half the time i think the Gay marriage thing is just a novelty.
Attention seeking. Besides that, Its there sin not yours.

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I saw the ad from this org in the LA TIMES today. Two pages. It doesn’t even make sense but it makes us – Catholics – look a little crazy. I’m not kidding, the ad, besides spewing serious anti-gay rhetoric, has no flow and seems like a lot of hate, or intolerance.

That’s not what we are about.

Maybe I’ll scan it so you guys can see what I am talking about. I was really tired when I was attempting to take that all in, so maybe I am missing something, but it was very difficult to read/follow. There are numbered articles, but the same numbers repeat throughout the ad. It’s as though it’s more about trying to scare people out of being gay (that doesn’t work in a newspaper ad) then it does trying to convince the California people to vote against gay marriage.

🤷 :ehh: :hypno: :ouch:

Guys, I seriously cringed when it said “As Catholics WE believe” – and it’s CERTAINLY not put out by any diocese.

I’m just confused.
 
Ugh…while you’re at it,you should also put the ban on lying, stealing, being rude to your parents, coveting, and committing adultery. Why don’t you make it illegal to not go to church on Sunday, or why don’t you just ban all non-Catholic religions for that matter? If you want to make gay marriage against the law, then all these things should also be, because the Bible forbids them as well. And by that standard, you (and everyone else including me for that matter) are guilty and are breaking the law every day. Don’t accuse others of sinning if you are a sinner yourself, isn’t that also what the Bible says?
 
As a Republican I never vote since my vote does not count in California since it always goes to the Democrats. Maybe if someone reminds me in a couple months I’ll go through the trouble to vote absentee for once since it is important to vote for this.
 
KCtheMommy said:
I saw the ad from this org in the LA TIMES today. Two pages. It doesn’t even make sense but it makes us – Catholics – look a little crazy. I’m not kidding, the ad, besides spewing serious anti-gay rhetoric, has no flow and seems like a lot of hate, or intolerance.

That’s not what we are about.

Guys, I seriously cringed when it said “As Catholics WE believe” – and it’s CERTAINLY not put out by any diocese.

I’m just confused.
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Well, considering the publication (LA Times), I suspect that the point is just that - to attempt to make an overly aggressive, hateful ad appear as if it represents the views of Catholics and those who are opposed to homosexual acts. In this way, we can all be painted as mean-spirited, out-of-touch extremists, thus making the pro-gay position seem compassionate and morally justified. It’s garbage.
 
This thread is quite depressingly filled with people who think they know better than God as he reveals his intentions for humanity in the Church.

Submit to the Church, people. Christ established it in Peter and his successors for a reason. And, according to Christ, those who accept that Church accept him. Those who reject that Church, reject him. The Church is clear in its condemnation of gay “marriage.” Please do not reject Christ by thinking you know better than his teaching this, through the Church.
 
SwizzleStick said:
I’ve often wondered about his too. I’ve seen a lot of comments on this forum that conflict with or outright defy the teachings of the Catholic Church and I don’t understand why. Shouldn’t a Catholic forum reflect Catholic views?
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I would like to respecfully challenge what I think you meant. Yes but don’t we get more out of it when we discuss those views critically and work through dissenting opinions?
 
whiteknite said:
I’m not realy sure if they realy care if it is a sin or not…
You ever seen the state of half the Gay people around??
Half the time i think the Gay marriage thing is just a novelty.
Attention seeking. Besides that, Its there sin not yours.

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Don’t we have the obligation to warn them of their sins?
Also, when they wish to live in a state of sin and put that sin on display in a public forum and interact with us it effects us. The issue with gays getting government recognition is that in doing so we are legally forced to accept this sin as if it were a sacramental marriage.
 
royal_archer said:
Don’t we have the obligation to warn them of their sins?
Also, when they wish to live in a state of sin and put that sin on display in a public forum and interact with us it effects us. The issue with gays getting government recognition is that in doing so we are legally forced to accept this sin as if it were a sacramental marriage.
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No we aren’t. How do you figure?

“We” don’t even recognize when people marry outside the church, or a church. It’s our sacrament (read: we are the church who actually values Holy Matrimony as a sacrament) – and until a priest marries two like-sexed people we don’t recognize it as a sacramental marriage.

Besides, nobody can legally force you to accept sin. For instance abortion is legal, doesn’t mean we accept or utilize it.

Goodnight – give us more credit please.
 
wjp984 said:
As a Republican I never vote since my vote does not count in California since it always goes to the Democrats. Maybe if someone reminds me in a couple months I’ll go through the trouble to vote absentee for once since it is important to vote for this.
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Uhm – NEWS FLASH!!!

Our governor is a REPUBLICAN!

The “people of California” already voted “no” on gay marriage, and I think might do so again in November. The CA Supreme Court turned it over. And…may do so again.

EVERYBODY’S VOTE COUNTS.
 
KCtheMommy said:
No we aren’t. How do you figure?

“We” don’t even recognize when people marry outside the church, or a church. It’s our sacrament (read: we are the church who actually values Holy Matrimony as a sacrament) – and until a priest marries two like-sexed people we don’t recognize it as a sacramental marriage.

Besides, nobody can legally force you to accept sin. For instance abortion is legal, doesn’t mean we accept or utilize it.

Goodnight – give us more credit please.
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lots of examples. Let’s start off with rental appartments. Legaly you have to rent out an appartment to a gay “couple” if you would rent it out to a sacrementally married couple. Next example company insurance plan If you insure the spouses of sacrementally married couples you have to offer insurance to partners of gay’s under the same conditions. Third, if you have a buisness party where spouses are invited you have to allow gay partners the same accomodations.
 
lots of examples. Let’s start off with rental appartments. Legaly you have to rent out an appartment to a gay “couple” if you would rent it out to a sacrementally married couple. Next example company insurance plan If you insure the spouses of sacrementally married couples you have to offer insurance to partners of gay’s under the same conditions. Third, if you have a buisness party where spouses are invited you have to allow gay partners the same accomodations.
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Aaaaahhhhh!!! Noooooooo!!! You mean… you mean… like treating gay people like everyone else!!! But they’re sinners!! Next we’ll have to start treating contracepting couples and chronic masturbators like everyone else… what is the world coming to? :eek:
 
Pong said:
Aaaaahhhhh!!! Noooooooo!!! You mean… you mean… like treating gay people like everyone else!!! But they’re sinners!! Next we’ll have to start treating contracepting couples and chronic masturbators like everyone else… what is the world coming to? :eek:
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No, don’t treat the people different, treat the act different. Gay “couples” choose to act out their sin in public. By renting an appartment to such a couple you are facilitating the sin and granting acceptance to it. It is the act of supporting the sin that is wrong. As for contracepting couples, a pharmasist who sells instruments of sin is also facilitating the sin. But renting an appartment to a married couple is not condoning or facilitating the sin.
 
But they are contracepting while having sex in the apartment. Sinful sex; same thing.
 
Pong said:
But they are contracepting while having sex in the apartment. Sinful sex; same thing.
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The difference is that the person renting the appartment does not necesarily have knowledge of birth control but does have knowledge of the sin of homosexuality.
 
The difference is that the person renting the appartment does not necesarily have knowledge of birth control but does have knowledge of the sin of homosexuality.
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Really? How? Is the landlord doing a Norman Bates-ish operation through a peephole to know that they are having sex? Or does it work like it works for everyone else in the world; no one really knows for sure becuase it’s no ones’s business but the couple. One cannot advocate dicriminating against a part of the population because of a set of moral rules based on one religion.
 
Pong said:
Really? How? Is the landlord doing a Norman Bates-ish operation through a peephole to know that they are having sex? Or does it work like it works for everyone else in the world; no one really knows for sure becuase it’s no ones’s business but the couple. One cannot advocate dicriminating against a part of the population because of a set of moral rules based on one religion.
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This isn’t a matter of harming someone. This is a private individual deciding how they want to live their own lives. The problem is with the government trying to force their will on the private citizen. It is no one’s business who the renter rents an apparment to except the renter and the people he chooses to do business with.
 
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