Help: RSV-CE, NASB, etc for E-Sword?

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A protestant told me about E-Sword a few days ago. It is a free online program that you download and it gives you access to all the free Bible’s and Commentaries you can find online. What makes it great is that all the translations are right in front of you in a tabular format which can easily be changed/compared to another translation.

Further, it offers tools like Commentaries, Greek-English Dictionaries (very nice, even though I dont speak greek), cross references, etc.

SADLY most of what is out there are protestant translations (eg the DeuteroCanon is missing) and most Commentaries have a “Protestant bias”. It is good to have these none the less just to get an idea. The Douay-Rheims is offered, but honestly it is hard to follow most of the time due to the “old English” style.

ANYWAY, I was hoping someone knew where I could find the RSV-CE, NASB and NIV in E-SWORD FORMAT (the last two are very popular Protestant translations, but are in “plain English”).

Also, I suggest all Catholics download E-Sword, it is very handy.
 
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SADLY most of what is out there are protestant translations
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Deuterocanonical books are displayed only if the Bible that one uses contains them.
the RSV-CE, NASB and NIV
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The only versions of the NIV I’ve seen for e-Sword have not contained deuterocanonical material. The copyright holder of the NIV (International Bible Study) has thus far declined to allow it (NIV) to be distributed for e-Sword.

The NASB is available for e-Sword. It costs US$20.00. It does include deuterocanonical books.

The RSVA has been distributed for e-Sword, but I don’t remember where/when that was done. 😦

The Jerusalem Bible was distributed without the consent of the copyright owner.
The New Jerusalem Bible was distributed without the consent of the copyright owner.
The first, second, and third editions of the Spanish translation of the Jerusalem Bible were distributed. (Considering the number of transcription errors, I suspect that it was done without the consent of the copyright owner.)
The French version of the Jerusalem Bible is available. However, it excludes deuterocanonical material.
[None of the Jerusalem Bible resource contain the notes that the hard copy contain. 😦 ]

The Clementine Vulgate is available, if you can read Latin.
Jerome’s Vulgate is available, if you can read Latin.
There is another version of the Vulgate, but I’veforgotten which one. 😦

The LXX is available, if you can read Greek.
Brenton’s translation of the LXX is available.(This is in English.)

There are a couple of other Bibles with deuterocanonical material, but I don’t remember which translations they are. 😦
so, I suggest all Catholics download E-Sword, it is very handy.
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AFAIK, there are no commentaries that are from the perspective of Catholic Christianity.

There are some topical files that contain documents important to Catholic Christianity.

All that said, it is fairly easy, but somewhat time consuming to create resources for e-Sword, and distribute them.

The major issue is obtaining permission to distribute the material in e-Sword format.

On a personal level, I’d love to see the following available for e-Sword:
  • The documents from Vatican 1;
  • The documents from Vatican 2:
  • The Rites;
  • The Rites Volume 2;
  • Catechism of the Catholic Church;
  • Canon Law;
  • The Catholic Encyclopedia;
xan

jonathon
 
jblake said:
AFAIK, there are no commentaries that are from the perspective of Catholic Christianity.

There are some topical files that contain documents important to Catholic Christianity.

All that said, it is fairly easy, but somewhat time consuming to create resources for e-Sword, and distribute them.

The major issue is obtaining permission to distribute the material in e-Sword format.

On a personal level, I’d love to see the following available for e-Sword:
  • The documents from Vatican 1;
  • The documents from Vatican 2:
  • The Rites;
  • The Rites Volume 2;
  • Catechism of the Catholic Church;
  • Canon Law;
  • The Catholic Encyclopedia;
xan

jonathon
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I agree there is next to nothing for Catholics, that is why we need someone to step up and convert many of those to e-Sword format.

As of now I mostly use e-sword to get an idea of where protestants are coming from and to be able to quickly cut and paste passages in posts.
 
Catholic_Dude said:
A protestant told me about E-Sword a few days ago. It is a free online program that you download and it gives you access to all the free Bible’s and Commentaries you can find online. What makes it great is that all the translations are right in front of you in a tabular format which can easily be changed/compared to another translation.

Further, it offers tools like Commentaries, Greek-English Dictionaries (very nice, even though I dont speak greek), cross references, etc.

SADLY most of what is out there are protestant translations (eg the DeuteroCanon is missing) and most Commentaries have a “Protestant bias”. It is good to have these none the less just to get an idea. The Douay-Rheims is offered, but honestly it is hard to follow most of the time due to the “old English” style.

ANYWAY, I was hoping someone knew where I could find the RSV-CE, NASB and NIV in E-SWORD FORMAT (the last two are very popular Protestant translations, but are in “plain English”).

Also, I suggest all Catholics download E-Sword, it is very handy.
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geocities.com/onlinebibletranslations/
 
Manfred said:
One more time:

The RSV-CE (1965-66) is NOT online.

The Jerusalem Bible (1966 English edition) is NOT online.

The New Jerusalem Bible (1985 English edition) is NOT online.
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I cant hear you…🙂
 
Manfred said:
One more time:

The RSV-CE (1965-66) is NOT online.

The Jerusalem Bible (1966 English edition) is NOT online.

The New Jerusalem Bible (1985 English edition) is NOT online.
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What’s your problem? Are you sarcastic to everyone that offers another poster help?
 
thistle said:
What’s your problem? Are you sarcastic to everyone that offers another poster help?
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I’ve followed many a link to a site purporting to have the RSV-CE, only to find out later - sometimes after leading others there - that it was bogus. And that site with the NJB really takes the cake, having some books from the NJB, some from the RSV, some a hybrid, and some books missing altogether.

The copyright holders of the three versions are not about to relinquish their hold and allow these on the web, for whatever reason.
 
Manfred said:
I’ve followed many a link to a site purporting to have the RSV-CE, only to find out later - sometimes after leading others there - that it was bogus. And that site with the NJB really takes the cake, having some books from the NJB, some from the RSV, some a hybrid, and some books missing altogether.

The copyright holders of the three versions are not about to relinquish their hold and allow these on the web, for whatever reason.
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NOT so fast, I just found one:

www.catholic-tools.com/bible/
 
jblake said:
The NASB is available for e-Sword. It costs US$20.00. It does include deuterocanonical books.
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Are you sure there’s an NASB version of the deuterocanonicals? I’ve never found one, and would be really interested in seeing it.
 
TheOneTrueFred said:
Are you sure there’s an NASB version of the deuterocanonicals? I’ve never found one, and would be really interested in seeing it.
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I think that the NASB is actually one of the better Protestant translations, but I have never seen the deuterocanonical books in the NASB (and I have an actual hard copy Bible, as well as the on-line versiion).
 
lak611 said:
I think that the NASB is actually one of the better Protestant translations, but I have never seen the deuterocanonical books in the NASB (and I have an actual hard copy Bible, as well as the on-line version).
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And right you are, Laura!

Oftentimes people do indeed confuse the Catholic New American Bible (NAB) with the Protestant New American Standard Bible (NASB). The former has the deuterocanonical books, the latter does not. Nor will it ever likely do so, since it is a product of the Lockman Foundation, a group of conservative, evangelical Protestant biblical scholars and theologians, who hold that the deuterocanonicals are not divinely inspired, and thus, are “no part of Scripture”.

Part of the reason for the issuance of the NASB was due to a high degree of disillusionment by the evangelical Protestant crowd over the RSV, which was, in fact, a revision of the (Protestant) American Standard Version of 1901. Conservatives and evangelicals hated the RSV so much that they began work on a version (the NASB) which, they felt, would be a more worthy successor to the ASV.

Now, for the benefit of those who may have trouble understanding me (not you, Laura 🙂 ):

The NAB and the NASB are not the same!
 
I think all Protestant versions of the bible are bad but I do think that the NASB is less bad than the others because it is more literal.
 
Jerry-Jet said:
I think all Protestant versions of the bible are bad but I do think that the NASB is less bad than the others because it is more literal.
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The RNAB is Catholic, but I find it more problematic than the Protestant translations. As Catholics, we can do better!
 
Jerry-Jet said:
I think all Protestant versions of the bible are bad but I do think that the NASB is less bad than the others because it is more literal.
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Jerry-Jet,

Well, I will agree the NIV (aka the “Non-Inspired Version”) is nowhere as good as the NASB, but the KJV and even the NKJV aren’t all that “bad”.

Consider: when the Catholic Biblical Association of Great Britain came up with the idea in 1954 of “Catholicizing” the RSV, it was probably because there were no other modern Protestant versions at the time on which to draw. But when others did come along, none got any of the same editing that the RSV received, even though they each had their good and bad points, and still we got the “NIV NT Catholic Edition” (I mean, really!) and the infamous NRSV-CE; there is nothing Catholic about these latter two! And you know the modern Catholic bibles that also appeared needed as much, if not more, editing than the RSV received.
 
Has anyone decided to download E-Sword (its free)?

I am having a great time with it (many free Bibles, including NAB) especially because if you point on a word with the mouse it tells you the greek word, what it means, and where that greek word appears elsewhere in Scripture.
 
Catholic_Dude said:
Has anyone decided to download E-Sword (its free)?

I am having a great time with it (many free Bibles, including NAB) especially because if you point on a word with the mouse it tells you the greek word, what it means, and where that greek word appears elsewhere in Scripture.
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I’ve had E-Sword for a long time. It is a wonderful program.

The NAB version is not free. It’s possible that you downloaded the NASB version by mistake (it’s not a Catholic bible.)
 
ricmat said:
I’ve had E-Sword for a long time. It is a wonderful program.

The NAB version is not free. It’s possible that you downloaded the NASB version by mistake (it’s not a Catholic bible.)
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I am very sure I have the NAB (New American Bible, Catholic) on ESword. Im pretty sure I got it using Ben’s E-Sword Tool, a free program someone told me about. I was also told it is ok to get it for e-sword because I own the NAB hardback.
 
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