Help settle argument-valid transubstantiation in other churches

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Question: is the Catholic faith the ONLY religion that believes the Holy Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, and does any other faith have valid transubstantiation during mass? ( is Christ present in their form of Holy communion during their services?).
 
NHeath said:
Question: is the Catholic faith the ONLY religion that believes the Holy Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, and does any other faith have valid transubstantiation during mass? ( is Christ present in their form of Holy communion during their services?).
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Those with valid apostolic succession have valid confection of the Holy Eucharist by validly consecrated priests, for example: Assyrian Church of the East, the Oriental Orthodox, the Eastern Orthodox, the Polish National Catholic Church, and some of the Old Catholic churches.
 
But those are all Catholic Churches, correct? A Friend thinks that Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist services have Holy Communion and thinks they are receiving Jesus. And my argument is “no, only Catholic Churches”.
 
Lutherans (some of them anyway) believe in a kind of sacramental union or consubstantiation but are hazy on details. However, the lack of valid orders for their priests still would preclude their communion offering to them what we understand as the True Presence.

Most nonCatholic Christians believe if anything in a ‘symbolic’ presence, so actually they could THINK they were receiving anything. What they would actually BE receiving though would not be the Real Presence as Catholics understand, even if they THOUGHT it was.
 
To add to what’s been said at this point:

there’s the possibility that a validly ordained Catholic priest, having left the Church and become a minister in some Protestant denomination (for example, the Episcopal church), might, possibly, under certain circumstances, maybe, validly confect the Eucharist in the context of a liturgy at which he presides.

There are enough weasel words there to make it obvious that it’s a rather convoluted situation, and doesn’t necessarily happen every time such a man presides… right?
 
NHeath said:
A Friend thinks that Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist services have Holy Communion and thinks they are receiving Jesus.
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Then he should tell the Baptist minister who presides over the service he attends that he really appreciates that the communion the minister distributes at his services is “really Jesus”. (And then step back a few feet to avoid the firestorm… 😉 )
 
Because He might shout, ‘Your welcome! Praise the Lord!!’, so loud you’ll feel pushed back by his words?
 
NHeath said:
Question: is the Catholic faith the ONLY religion that believes the Holy Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ
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No. Lutherans do. Most other denominations do not have a doctrinal structure that would allow you to say everyone in the denominations agrees on something like this. Significant portions of many of them believe Christ is truly present in their Communion.
NHeath said:
does any other faith have valid transubstantiation during mass? ( is Christ present in their form of Holy communion during their services?).
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Catholics do not believe that others have valid transubstantiation, mostly.
Catholics do not believe Christ is present during their services, though they mostly do believe that.
 
NHeath said:
But those are all Catholic Churches, correct?
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No. Some true particular Churches with Apostolic Succession and valid holy orders are not in communion with the Catholic Church, for example the Orthodox.
 
NHeath said:
A Friend thinks that Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist services have Holy Communion and thinks they are receiving Jesus.
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Those ecclesial communions are not true particular Churches, lack valid apostolic succession, holy orders, and valid sacraments other than baptism and marriage.

So, no, they do not confect a valid Eucharist in those listed above.
 
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1ke said:
Those ecclesial communions are not true particular Churches, lack valid apostolic succession, holy orders, and valid sacraments other than baptism and marriage.
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So God is only present places where only a valid apostolic succession is present or accepted… no where else?
 
annad347 said:
So God is only present places where only a valid apostolic succession is present or accepted… no where else?
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That wasn’t the question.

The question pertained to confection of valid Eucharist. The 5 sacraments that require holy orders are only present in true particular Churches that have valid apostolic succession.
 
NHeath said:
does any other faith have valid transubstantiation during mass? ( is Christ present in their form of Holy communion
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You might log on to formed. Org and view the mystery of the bread by dr. Timothy gray.
 
1ke said:
…The 5 sacraments that require holy orders are only present in true particular Churches that have valid apostolic succession.
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which means God is only present where valid apostolic succession are present or accepted.

Isn’t it necessary for Christ must be present for The Eucharist to become the body and blood of Christ?
 
Lutherans and some other Protestant denominations do believe they receive Jesus in communion due not to any powers of the minister but to the faith of the comminicant. They also believe that if they were to leave the room, the bread would just be bread. They have no theology of reserved sacrament.
 
annad347 said:
which means God is only present where valid apostolic succession are present or accepted.
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No, that is not what it means at all.

God is present in many ways.
annad347 said:
Isn’t it necessary for Christ must be present for The Eucharist to become the body and blood of Christ?
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It is necessary for a valid confection for Christ to become sacramentally present in the Eucharist.

There are many other ways for God to be present.
 
1ke said:
… valid confection for Christ to become sacramentally present in the Eucharist
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…and only Catholic’s have this confection… its not available to any other Christian church to make their Eucharist valid?
 
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