Help, shy, how to DISCERN, not date

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OK, first of all, I hate dating. I’d gladly never go on another date again in my life. OK, that’s not true, I enjoyed (past tense) dating before I became Catholic, but now am aware of how possessive and lustful and unchaste I can be about women, and it’s like walking into a minefield. Preparing my first confession made me hate just about everything I ever enjoyed in my past, I realised how almost all of it was tainted with sin, and I don’t really want to think of how my life was in the past. I also can’t imagine having fun in a dating situation where I can never visit my girlfriend’s home, nor she mine, nor kiss until engaged, nor spend time alone unchaperoned.

Also, I’m shy, I’m someone who likes silence and solitude and prayer (which possibly means I’m called to religious life, not to marriage, I know). I say I like these things, but they also bring me a sense of melancholy, like ‘OK, I’m not sinning, but I’m sure I’m meant to do more than this with my life’.

Also, as you may have guessed, I’m scrupulous. I want to avoid even the near occasion of a venial sin. It’s the only way I can find peace. I’ve made the best of this situation though, I try to spend my time in hard work, prayer, works of charity, exercise, domestic activities (even when they’re not needed). I’ve never been happier than when I can flop down in bed exhausted knowing that I’ve helped someone and then refused the opportunity to ‘reward’ myself and chosen to work and pray instead. That doesn’t happen all that often though, more often than not I do allow myself some leisure, and use it in some sinful way, either big or small, and spend the next day walking to a church that has confession, queuing for confession, praying a rosary in that church for the plenary indulgence, then rushing around to get everything done that I should’ve done that day.

So, yeah, I regularly go to adoration and prayer meetings, and there’s a girl who also regularly goes to the same events. I think we have a lot in common, including our tendency to find happiness in quiet service rather than social situations, and our shyness and social awkwardness. How do I go from being the guy who happens to be in the same place when we pray, to something more? Apart from our priest, I don’t think we have many mutual friends, so how do I get a chaperone for a date? Neither of us have many outside interests, so how do we find something to do together? Is there some way to discern a call to marriage that doesn’t include typical ‘dating’ like restaurants and walks in the park, but involves more prayer, silence together, working together at the soup kitchen, etc.

It’s a relief to me that I’ve never found myself lusting after her, but that’s partly because I don’t find her physically attractive. The more I realise we have in common, the stronger my feelings for her, but they’re not sexual feelings. I don’t know if that makes a good start for a marriage or a bad one, but I know it gives me a kind of melancholy feeling when I imagine never feeling passionately for the woman I’m married to. All the same, as I said before, my passions are pretty badly disordered from my pre-conversion life, and I know they need a lot of mortification. A Catholic’s hope of happiness should be in heaven, right?

OK, lots of writing, it wasn’t how I imagined this thread would start, it just kinda came out that way. It’s probably gone a long way to prove that I have a lot of problems to deal with before I can even begin to think about discerning any vocation, whether to marriage or religious life, but I’m nearly 30, and I don’t want to leave it too long. I know I need to see a therapist. I don’t want to give up on the chance of living life now while I wait to get ‘better’ though. Please help.

I also sometimes have a tendency to overstate my problems, so I’ve probably come across as even more of an emotional wreck than I really am.
 
*When you pray, what do you sense God is advising you to do? *
 
*When you pray, what do you sense God is advising you to do? *
I’ve never had that strong a sense that God’s telling me anything in prayer. Not since becoming Catholic, and before that I was just deceiving myself into thinking I could hear Him. He’s definitely telling me to give more to others, and to be more ascetical in my life, but beyond that, I can’t say.
 
*I also want to share something with you, I hope you take it in the spirit I mean it in…

Jesus died for our sins, not so that we could still carry them around with us, everywhere…with downtrodden faces, and despair. We are all sinners…and we are in need of a Savior. Jesus sacrificed His life for you and for me, so that we could live life abundantly on earth. Have eternal life in heaven, someday. Granted, when we call ourselves Christians, we have a responsibility to take up our crosses and follow Him, daily. But, we don’t ever carry our cross alone. When I read your thread here, you admit that you can sometimes over analyze things. And while it is so fantastic that you have a well formed conscience, and go to confession often, Jesus doesn’t want us to carry around our past sins as though they were anchors around our necks. :o

When we walk around feeling downtrodden, and ashamed…and keep looking for the next time we might mess up…we don’t give Jesus the opportunity to work in our lives to heal us from our afflictions. Don’t beat yourself up about dating, about being unchaste. Do go to confession to receive penance, and as you repent, be thankful that you are on the road to recovery. We are all works in progress. We cannot do this journey alone–He died so we might have life, and have it abundantly.

So, try not to be so self absorbed in worrying over what sin you might commit next…Rejoice, for He has risen! Rejoice in the life you have as a Christian! Allow Christ to carry that cross WITH you. I will keep you in my prayers…that you will discern the best situation for yourself, and that you will no longer feel downtrodden with guilt…you are a child of God. We are all sinners, but Jesus didn’t die so we could remind ourselves of how sinful we are day in and day out.

God bless…*
 
The things you do to maintain chastity and obey God are surely pleasing to Him. All the things you are doing (frequent confession, adoration, etc) provide you with the grace you need to continue on the path to God.

We are to enjoy our lives on earth, not just wait for heaven. Heaven will be a thousand times better, but that doesn’t mean we won’t find joy here as well. If what you do on earth is dishonoring God or another person, then you need to change. But God allows many things.

Permanent chastity isn’t for everyone. Paul said that in the Bible. That may not be your gift. You may be called to marriage, and maybe the woman you see at church is the one for you (maybe not). The fact that you are attracted to someone who also loves God is great. It shows your priorities. Our spouses are supposed to help us grow in holiness. The fact that the attraction isn’t “passionate” may not be a problem. If you were to be married, I can pretty much assure you that 10 years down the road, you won’t feel the same “passion” as when you first met. That doesn’t mean that you don’t love the other person - as a matter of fact, you should love them even more, because the love moves from a physical focus to an emotional one.

So let’s say you want to approach this woman. Why not ask her if she would be interested in doing a Bible Study with you. Choose a book that you like and want to explore and begin a Bible Study in the church (if there isn’t already one). Or begin a Book Club. We have one in our church that meets monthly to discuss a Catholic book. I choose the book, write the discussion questions, and lead the discussion (which just means I ask the question and wait for others to share their thoughts). Both of these activities bring together small groups of people on a regular basis and allow us to get to know each other in a different way than we might sitting in the pews.

Wishing you continued grace!
 
Talk to her, be honest with her. Send a clear message about your intentions. Whether that is talking or spending some time together. You have to initiate.

What you are doing in prayer and adoration are good things to be done as a couple, don’t worry about “dating” like movies, dancing or stuff like that. Who do you think God would send? Someone who will distract you from him or walk along the same path to Him? Is she walking the same path as you are? From your post it sounds like she is.

Discernment is about discovery but in truth the discovery comes from being truthful to yourself and in the case of marraige to each other.

The best thing a couple can do is have a honest talk, become friends, together come to know what the Lord has instore for them.

As for the other stuff of being shy think of it this way, God knows the both of you best, he will send someone who will “fit” you best for the Good of all. So your quarks, sinful tendencies will be mended with the right person. Like your example of your easiness to lust with someone who you are thankful is difficult to lust after.

God Bless,
John
 
Thanks all, that’s a great reply, and a lot to think about. We will be going on a pilgrimage together (not something that I set up in response to this, just another detail of the story) later this month, so I’ll think about it then.

I’m still not sure. While reason alone suggests there may be enough in common for us to be useful co-workers in the vineyard of the Lord, I still have the problem that I don’t want to. There are some women I could see myself enjoying spending my life with (I don’t just mean that in the sense of lusting after them or enjoying the marital embrace, I mean just something, a possessive love, eros, which is necessary to some extent in a marriage, at least according to Deus Caritas Est, and according to most marriages and Christian books on marriage written in the modern West (what the Eastern Church or the Medieval Church believed on this issue was rather different)). Is that a problem? I guess the more time I spend with her, the more I’ll know whether that desire will ever develop. Is it right to move towards a ‘getting to know you better’ or even a ‘dating’ (though if we can avoid that whole phase so much the better) phase before I feel that attraction? It’s more complicated because there’s also someone else who I do feel that kind of attraction to, but we don’t know eachother so well, and to pursue that route would definitely need the ‘dating’ phase, as we don’t really do anything else in common.

Also, as a man dating in my late 20’s (but only a Catholic for just over a year, with past sexual falls), do you think I should still follow the same kinds of rules that groups like the Pure Love Club (for teens) suggest, get to know eachothers’ families first, chaperoned dates, no kissing until engaged, no being alone together or visiting eachother’s houses alone, etc.?
 
Also, as a man dating in my late 20’s (but only a Catholic for just over a year, with past sexual falls), do you think I should still follow the same kinds of rules that groups like the Pure Love Club (for teens) suggest, get to know eachothers’ families first, chaperoned dates, no kissing until engaged, no being alone together or visiting eachother’s houses alone, etc.?
No. You admitted to being scrupulous in a previous thread, and for a scrupulous person, imposing extra rules on yourself is poison. You’re obviously very concerned about staying chaste, so in a sense, you’ve grown out of the stage where you need the extra rule-making to stay honest.
 
I also can’t imagine having fun in a dating situation where I can never visit my girlfriend’s home, nor she mine, nor kiss until engaged, nor spend time alone unchaperoned.
Unless not participating in those activities is a personal choice you’re making to avoid temptation, none of those are forbidden by the church.
 
Currently, I am reading an excellent book on this ber subject. The Exclamation: The Wise Choice of a Spouse for Catholic Marriage by Patricia Wrona. This really is a great book. I, too do not date for fun. When I meet single women, it is for discerning for marriage. So far, a couple of these ladies have become friends, but that is all. (Although some of the ladies are just plan wacky. Check out this thread. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=333038 )
 
***:eek: rpp…those stories are funny. lol

I especially thought the one about the woman whom you never met in person…told you ‘you were it,’ and that you should pay her living expenses. hahahaha

Thanks for sharing. :)***
 
DL82,
It is very difficult to say what you should because every situation is different. For me, I would not even go over to female’s house/apartment alone even if she was a friend, a cause for scandle and situations that probably would be best avoided. If possible it would be great to meet her family/friends and she yours as early as possible for they will help your discernment. As for the physical kissing, hugging, and getting close to me that is better left to develope slowly. These things of course are all abjective. I don’t try to “plan” anything other than to initionalize (and be flexable on that to).

As for phyiscal attraction, to me there is nothing more beautiful than a giving heart, one that is open to me. That heart can make up for allot of physical attaction and as you will find out; it will start make the physical part allot less important. The last woman I was deeply attracted to was not very pretty but after time her eyes alone could move me like nothing I’ve ever experienced before.

Time, patience, and honesty goes along way to building a relationship that will last.

God Bless,
John
 
I don’t enjoy dating much myself but my dating life has never been that great anyway. If you’re having a problem with keeping things on track then pray before you go on a date. Pick a devotion and keep up with it. I alway found that helped. Also when dating keep things casual and stick to public places. Don’t go over to the other persons house to hang out alone or other places you might be tempted. Keep your focus on God and let him lead you. Hope that helps.
 
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