Help... site slandering catholicism as demonic and pagan

[silverwings_88]

yes. it’s a habit of mine to be curious and to know what people are thinking. My knowledge is adequate enough to be able to knock down such beliefs such as the Jack Chick tracts which are quite hilarious and nevertheless inaccurate. I just feel that I need to continue to back up what I know and learn more if I don’t. Especially with my friends who are protestant and give me such statements such as ‘purgatory doesn’t exist.’ When I give them evidence of such in their sola scriptura, they either deny it and press on, or ‘agree to disagree.’

Sigh I need more sites that promote catholicism… but I can’t help but be delighted if a protestant tries to argue something against the church when the answer is right in front of him and I am able to back up my faith without resorting to verse-slandering.

 

[Sir_Knight]

puzzleannie:

the only legitimate reason for any user of this forum to visit such disgusting anti-Catholic websites is to use their claims to perfect our apologetics skills. Since this should only be attempted by those whose knowledge of the faith, and personal spirituality, is already strong, it goes without saying that someone whose faith can be shaken by such information has no business visiting these sites. You have only so much time available for web browsing, why waste it. Spend your time learning the basics of your faith and taking advantage of the marvelous opportunities for spiritual growth available to good CAtholic sites.

I have to disagree. There are may people out there who know very little about the Catholic faith and they may only have one exposure to gather additional information. If what they see is this falsehood, they will walk away with an entirely wrong impression of the Catholic faith and that impression may be difficult, if not impossible, to chance because first impressions are lasing impressions.

I firmly believe that it is our duty to correct any misconceptions that we come across whether on the web or in person or where ever.

 

[Mr.Ruggerio]

Exporter:

If you go to this page which is a statement od doctrine of the man who presented the page discussed in the original post you will see:

Oddly enough he does make reference to the “historic” Christian doctrine of the trinity on the Doctrinal Statement web page.

Looks like some picking and chosing going on there.

 

[LSK]

I think Scott has given you some great advice. I would also look into some of the history of missionary work done by the Church. What this site claims is the Church turning to paganism is what I was taught by the nuns as a teaching method used by missionaries.

Let’s see if I can explain - a teaching nun and/or priest is charged with spreading the word of Christ’s Gospels to people who have never heard of Jesus but have a reverence for nature and ‘gods’. As points of comparison, they show how the person’s almost natural turning to a power greater than themselves for comfort and guidance is but one of the many roads people can take to Jesus and the Church. Through teaching they show how it is not a big jump from worshiping the lifegiving power of rain to worshiping the One True God who gives us all life. Therefore, there may be cultural aspects of ritual that are incorporated into the new Christian’s expression of their love for Jesus.

Does that make sense?

As for the incorruptibles - I am telling you that if that is not proof positive of the power of the Holy Spirit I can’t think what else is!

 

[sparkle]

cultlink.com/CathAnswers/EntDevils.htm

I am an internet wanderer, who adores looking and consuming information. I was looking on information on sacramentals (who doesn’t love them!!), and this site came up.

Now, being familiar with anti-Catholic and pro-Catholic resources, I’m afraid that this site wavered my faith uncomfortable sitting in my computer chair. Viewing the site of the head of St. Catherine gave me a gruesome chill down my spine, and viewing the image of our Blessed Mother as a strange boyish-looking statue made me quiver. Another image portrayed the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, and beneath lies the caption of “Juan Diego presents image of his temple goddess.”

It told me that the bodies that were incorruptible is a demonic trick.

Ash Wednesday is equivalent to marking gurus on their forhead on third-eye initiates.

That veneration and communication and communion of saints is a form of necromancy and spiritism.

That stigmata is demonic mockery of Jesus’s death and crucifixion.

The gift of ‘bi-location’ (being at two places at once) given to Padre Pio. I’ve never heard of such a gift, and it is leading to such practices of the New Age.
And as our flying saint and levitation, it further reads that

“These are either wild, fabricated tales, or they are the result of Catholic spiritism that they call miracles. Other diabolic miracles EWTN parades as sanctified include statues bleeding, crying, or shedding oil; crucifixes coming to life and talking to Catholic mystics. None of these cheap parlor tricks have any biblical precedent, instead all have parallels in the world of the occult.”

It slanders our Lady of Guadalupe, saying

“This Aztec devil in the guise of a lady appeared to St. Juan Diego in 1531 at the very place that the Mexicans worshipped the goddess Tonantzin, the goddess of earth and corn. Her name means “Our Mother” in Nahuatl, the Mexican language. This devil goddess told St. Juan Diego she wanted a temple built for herself at the same location where the original pagan temple had once stood in honor of the goddess.”

It mentioned the moon under her feet as an Islamic symbol… but all know that it is an artisitc portrayal of the woman from Revelation.

"This is merely an expensive monument outlining the Roman Catholic Church’s agenda in gathering all religions under her jurisdiction. In the past whenever astute Protestant historians documented Rome’s merger of Christianity and paganism, Catholic spokespersons protested loudly denying any such connection. And now they proudly identify the origin of their own Lady of the Angels with the pagan Inca goddess, Pachamama. Unbelievable!
*The artists responsible for the new Mary boldly told the Los Angeles Times, “I think that throughout all the representations of the Virgin goddess, there has always been the recognition that each one of those has been of the time and of the people.”*12

So, even the Catholic artists sees her as a “goddess.” Catholic apologists really can’t get away with the denials anymore."

Okay, so the person failed at seeing that the Ark of the covenant was a symbolic fulfillment of the Ark that was created in the OT. nevertheless, I need help in explaining so I won’t have to be lead to conversion to Quakerism.Rationally, I would know that people would never worship Mary a the Goddess, but pagan beliefs always had a great Goddess, but then again, many had a Sun God who came as the ruler of all…

Anyways, please help with this site so I can be ready for such next time and I can be better at understanding arguments made by individuals working to ‘save’ those from the Church.

Kevyn Scott Kateri Calanza Bello

Dear One:

All I can say is to learn, as I had to, to NOT cast pearls before swine.

 

[silverwings_88]

I just need to have someone who knows the Catholic church well. As my CCC is apart from me , and since I do not have a spiritual director and I do not trust myself to interprete the Holy Spirit, I usually put my questions up here because I can always rely on people who are experienced in such areas of Catholic study.

Yeah, Scott’s interpretation makes complete sense, and thank people for helping me understand!

Of course incorruptable bodies are from the Holy Spirit! But I don’t know if I really want to see the deceased body of a saint whom I favour so much! It’s slightly unusual for me anyways, since I’ve never seen one yet.

Anyways, since you are like my awesome uncles/aunts/godmothers/godfathers who teach me on the faith when I’m not in RCIA, it gives me some informal ‘backup’ knowledge before entering a seminary.

You guys are just soo too cool, and I’m REALLY sorry if I offend people by my writings!

Kevyn Scott ‘Kateri’ Calanza Bello

 

[Axion]

The allegations that Catholic practices are “pagan” invented by some protestants are as foolish as the claims of some atheists that Christianity is an invented religion of Sun Worshippers, or that Christ’s life was copied from Mithras or Dionysius. They all use the same half-baked arguments.

As far as incorruptible Saints are concerned. This is a sign of God’s Grace. Corruption is from evil, not incorruption.

Here is St Bernadette over 120 years after her death:

http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/berna2.jpg

home.inreach.com/bstanley/berndett.htm

 

[silverwings_88]

silverwings_88:

I just need to have someone who knows the Catholic church well. As my CCC is apart from me , and since I do not have a spiritual director and I do not trust myself to interprete the Holy Spirit, I usually put my questions up here because I can always rely on people who are experienced in such areas of Catholic study.
Kevyn Scott ‘Kateri’ Calanza Bello

Okay, that should have read, Holy Scriptures. But yes, St. Bernadette IS one of my favourite saints, and I wanted to see her, but it seems so… I find that I shouldn’t. To be in such state of grace…

This seems off topic from what I originally asserted for questioning, but eh!