Help understanding cross references from Cambridge

[rotlex]

OK, this may seem like a pretty basic, even stupid question, and I’ll probably kick myself after the fact, but…

I recently acquired a beautiful Cambridge Cameo KJV Bible W\Apocrypha. I’m starting to read through it, and have a question regarding the cross references used. They are center column, and laid out very well. The problem is, while I’m quite familiar with verse\chapter references, and locating them, I am a bit confused by the format of some of these, and the use of the letter “x” for a number of them. What I mean is this, for example on references:
a 3 Jn. 3,4.
b x Jn.2.23.
c x Jn.2.7
&3. II.

Ok. I get the chapter verse references, but then again, maybe I don’t, as I don’t understand what the “x” stands for. Rather than try to type out more, I’ve attached an image from a page, highlighting the type of things I’m referring too. Any help on this would be appreciated. Not sure why it is so confusing to me, LOL.

Thanks

 

[Phyllo]

In the bibles that I have in the very front they have certain articles and introductions etc and usually a place where they tell you how to follow the cross references and footnotes.
Have you searched these places for instructions?
Just a thought.

 

[rotlex]

In the bibles that I have in the very front they have certain articles and introductions etc and usually a place where they tell you how to follow the cross references and footnotes.
Have you searched these places for instructions?
Just a thought.

Yeah, actually I have. There is nothing listing info on the cross references. I’m assuming, it is eh, assumed, that you know how to use them. I can’t even seem to find anything by Googling around. But then again, I might not be “Googling” correctly.

 

[Phyllo]

Have you tried contacting the publisher?

 

[Phyllo]

OK, this may seem like a pretty basic, even stupid question, and I’ll probably kick myself after the fact, but…

I recently acquired a beautiful Cambridge Cameo KJV Bible W\Apocrypha. I’m starting to read through it, and have a question regarding the cross references used. They are center column, and laid out very well. The problem is, while I’m quite familiar with verse\chapter references, and locating them, I am a bit confused by the format of some of these, and the use of the letter “x” for a number of them. What I mean is this, for example on references:
a 3 Jn. 3,4.
b x Jn.2.23.
c x Jn.2.7
&3. II.

Ok. I get the chapter verse references, but then again, maybe I don’t, as I don’t understand what the “x” stands for. Rather than try to type out more, I’ve attached an image from a page, highlighting the type of things I’m referring too. Any help on this would be appreciated. Not sure why it is so confusing to me, LOL.

Thanks

I was reading something on Google and it said that X means next chapter. Do you think that could also mean that for the cross reference? I can’t tell what chapter you have copied here but if it is chapter 1 than maybe b x Jn2.23 might mean that cross reference b might be the next (x) chapter of John 2.23. Just a thought.

If you ever find out would you please tell me because I am curious now. Thanks

 

[rotlex]

I was reading something on Google and it said that X means next chapter. Do you think that could also mean that for the cross reference? I can’t tell what chapter you have copied here but if it is chapter 1 than maybe b x Jn2.23 might mean that cross reference b might be the next (x) chapter of John 2.23. Just a thought.

If you ever find out would you please tell me because I am curious now. Thanks

Hey, thanks for that info. I’ll check it out further from home, and see if it makes sense. (Or works out).

In answer to your question about contacting the publisher, no, I have not. To be honest, I figured with Cambridge being one of the best known Bible publishers in the world, someone would no pretty much instantly.

 

[rotlex]

Just following up again. I thought that the next chapter idea sounded correct, however, given the example I have in the screen shot, it does not work. Those references were taken from 2 John. (2nd Epistle of John). I just picked that section out at random, as I happened to be reading it this morning. However, a vast number of references appear this way throughout. Some make sense, some don’t; although I’m sure there is a system to it, that once I figure it out, or someone explains it, will make me slap my forehead.

 

[Phyllo]

Hey, thanks for that info. I’ll check it out further from home, and see if it makes sense. (Or works out).

In answer to your question about contacting the publisher, no, I have not. To be honest, I figured with Cambridge being one of the best known Bible publishers in the world, someone would no pretty much instantly.

You would think? Maybe they don’t know either.
Good Luck

 

[ardis3958]

I’m sure there is a system to it, that once I figure it out, or someone explains it, will make me slap my forehead.

Get ready to slap your forehead. It’s not the letter x but the numeral 1.

 

[rotlex]

Get ready to slap your forehead. It’s not the letter x but the numeral 1.

Your kidding right? Right?! Right?!?! :doh2: LOL

Really, that makes a lot of sense now that I look at the references. Holy cow. Thank you, thank you, thank you! :bowdown: Really, I can’t believe I couldn’t figure that out, or find that by Googling for what seems like days!!!

 

[ardis3958]

Your kidding right? Right?! Right?!?! :doh2: LOL

Really, that makes a lot of sense now that I look at the references. Holy cow. Thank you, thank you, thank you! :bowdown: Really, I can’t believe I couldn’t figure that out, or find that by Googling for what seems like days!!!

LOL

 

[Phyllo]

Get ready to slap your forehead. It’s not the letter x but the numeral 1.

How do you know? Not that I am being nasty but how did you come to that conclusion? How or why would someone think x means 1? Even in Roman numerals x is 10.

I am dying from curiosity here. Would it follow that every time one sees x in a footnote or a Strong’s explanation of a word it means 1? Some word meanings in Strong’s might have something like (x) or x and continue on with the meanings. Now when I want to find an example I can’t.

Thanks a bunch and I am waiting for you to finish your lesson.

 

[ardis3958]

How do you know? Not that I am being nasty but how did you come to that conclusion? How or why would someone think x means 1? Even in Roman numerals x is 10.

I am dying from curiosity here. Would it follow that every time one sees x in a footnote or a Strong’s explanation of a word it means 1? Some word meanings in Strong’s might have something like (x) or x and continue on with the meanings. Now when I want to find an example I can’t.

Thanks a bunch and I am waiting for you to finish your lesson.

If you look really closely, you can see that the character is not an x but a squat capital letter I that a lot of old fashioned typefaces use for the numeral 1.

But I can prove it with logic:

• Based on the words visible in the image Rotlex posted, the image must be from 2 John, showing pieces of verses 4-7 and 8-12.
• Note b pertains to verse 9 twice, to the phrases “hath not God” and “hath both the Father and the Son”.
• The reference in note b definitely contains the characters “Jn. 2. 23.” Therefore the reference points either to the Gospel of John 2:23 or to the First Epistle of John 2:23. (2 John 2:23 and 3 John 2:23 do not exist in the Bible.)
• John 2:23 reads, “Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.” 1 John 2:23 reads, “Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
• 2 John 9 is much more like 1 John 2:23 than John 2:23, and therefore what looks like an x in the image must be a 1.

The same line of reasoning also applies to note f on verse 11.

For confirmation, all other instances of the numeral 1 in the image are of the old-fashioned kind, the squat capital letter I, and besides, other Bibles suggest those same cross-references.

 

[Phyllo]

If you look really closely, you can see that the character is not an x but a squat capital letter I that a lot of old fashioned typefaces use for the numeral 1.

But I can prove it with logic:

• Based on the words visible in the image Rotlex posted, the image must be from 2 John, showing pieces of verses 4-7 and 8-12.
• Note b pertains to verse 9 twice, to the phrases “hath not God” and “hath both the Father and the Son”.
• The reference in note b definitely contains the characters “In. 2. 23.” Therefore the reference points either to the Gospel of John 2:23 or to the First Epistle of John 2:23. (2 John 2:23 and 3 John 2:23 do not exist in the Bible.)
• John 2:23 reads, “Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.” 1 John 2:23 reads, “Whosoever denied the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledge the Son hath the Father also.”
• 2 John 9 is much more like 1 John 2:23 than John 2:23, and therefore what looks like an x in the image must be a 1.

The same line of reasoning also applies to note f on verse 11.

For confirmation, all other instances of the numeral 1 in the image are of the old-fashioned kind, the squat capital letter I, and besides, other Bibles suggest those same cross-references.

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I was able to enlarge the attached picture from the op and see what you mean. Thanks for the education.

 

[rotlex]

All joking aside, just wanted to say thanks again to Ardis for pointing this out. I did quite a bit of reading\study this morning from this edition, and yep, the x works out as a 1 in every reference I checked, LOL. Still looks like an x to me, although I admit the print is very small in the center column as this is a cameo bible.

But again, thanks, and again :doh2: