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jimmy:
She may have spoken once in a while, but her primary form of teaching and preaching was through action. She showed Gods love in everything she did. I have seen some Mother Theresa quotes, but she did not spend her time at a pulpit preaching. She did not stand at a pulpit and give speaches and sermons about how people should live and act, she showed them.
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I agree with you. Please read my post #153.

I was attempting, apparently rather poorly, to state that SPOKEN and Malachi4U both have valid points.

Mother Teresa provided her most powerful witness through her obedience to Christ.

If someone is called by our Savior to preach the Gospel then they also should obey.

Should we criticize each other for how we share the Gospel whether it be by word or deed? As long as we are obedient to the Father and following the Holy Spirit’s lead, God will do the work. We just need to make ourselves available to Jesus to work through us.
 
They are more like hypothesis rather than theories. They don’t have much proof. The measurement of the age of the universe is not founded on proof. It is founded on the fact that they can not see forever.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Hi Heathen,Notice that God destroyed the egyptian gods through the 10 plaques.
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Does that mean, those Gods really existed? And, perhaps, where created? Wait, by God? And then destroyed?
 
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MarkAnthonyCozy:
Can you scientifically prove this? Can anyone scientifically prove this?
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In one word: YES.
Radioactive deacy of certain elements, the universe’s background radiation, movement of galaxies, etc etc they all prove this.
Look here, according to PhilVaz even Cardinal Ratzinger accepts my statements: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=464491#post464491
What you have just stated is based on theories.
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Correct.
You have chosen to believe that theory which suits you best.
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Wrong. I have chosen to “believe” the thoery that matches the observable evidence best.
There exists an absolute truth that’s not at all based on what we may happen to think or feel about it.
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No it doesn’t. “This is the truth” really means “this statement is true”. Truth does not exist by itself, the whole term only makes sense when applied to a statement.
Do you have a better, more logical, explanation for the Genesis story?
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Sure I have. As you said it is a story. Like the Edda, or the Illias, or Star Wars.
 
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wolpertinger:
I disagree with just about everything you said in your previous post and my experience on this forum tells me that this is the time back out of an argument that will not go anywhere.
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ok.
 
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wolpertinger:
I disagree with just about everything you said in your previous post and my experience on this forum tells me that this is the time back out of an argument that will not go anywhere.
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ok.
 
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AnAtheist:
Does that mean, those Gods really existed? And, perhaps, where created? Wait, by God? And then destroyed?
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Hi Anatheist,To the egyptians these false gods did exist.God did destroy the beliefs of these false gods so that their hearts would be hardenedand see the power of the TRUE GOD. :confused: God Bless
 
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jimmy:
Yes, I am subject to gravity and all other laws of the universe. But that only prevents my ideas and choices in as far as they are caried out. Like I said above, I can decide to hit either the k or the m, or any of the other buttons on my keyboard. No physical laws of the universe govern this. I can choose as I want.
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Ok, I will formulate this more cautiously. Physical laws do not prevent free choices, as the uncertainty principle disproves determinism. I.e. the current state of the universe (as a whole) does not predetermine the future state due to quantum effects.

In the 19th century scientists thought the universe’s future state is completely determined by the current state, therefore to make a creative or free thought process some supernatural power (mind, soul, tao, whatever you want to call it) would be neccessary. Which is completely logical. But, since we know today, that the universe is not fully determined, those thought processes could be as well completely natural, i.e. in accordance with the physical laws.
 
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AnAtheist:
Ok, I will formulate this more cautiously. Physical laws do not prevent free choices, as the uncertainty principle disproves determinism. I.e. the current state of the universe (as a whole) does not predetermine the future state due to quantum effects.
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according to one theory of quantum mechanics, perhaps. if some kind of hidden variables theory turns out to be true, however, the loophole will be closed.
 
Heathen Dawn:
Actually there’s nothing mysterious about this if you know a little about ancient Egyptian theology. Like yours truly, the ancient Egyptians were soft polytheists: believers in many Gods and Goddesses who are components of one single overarching Divinity (whom I, after the Hindus, call Brahman, and the Egyptians called Netjer). “One true and living God” exists, but, as the Hindus say, truth is one but the wise call it by many names (ekam sat vipraha bahudha vadanti), and the names through which the one true and living God is known are His persons, the many Gods and Goddesses. Which isn’t that far removed from the Christian Trinity (one God, many persons).
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The Christian God, our Father, has called these gods his enemies. Whether or not they are angels who rebelled against him, we as children of our Father who is in heaven are called to resist them until the end of time.

Attempting to compare your gods to the one true God is a ploy that Jesus Christ and his apostles have warned us about. Satan even uses scripture when he attacks God’s children, first by questioning it, then distorting it, and finally replacing it, if he can.

The one(s) you serve are well known to us. Have you ever sought to test the power of your gods verses our God? Jesus Christ is well known by the one(s) you serve. They flee from his presence and even in their rebellion remain under his command.

Even today people are persecuted and die in Jesus’ name, for the sake of his kingdom that is not of this world. The one(s) you serve will continue the onlaught against God’s children until this present age comes to an end.

We live in this age of mercy so that all can come to know the love of God. The real battle is for people’s souls.

“For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.” 2 Cor 10:4-6
 
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AnAtheist:
Radioactive deacy of certain elements, the universe’s background radiation, movement of galaxies, etc etc they all prove this.QUOTE]

Yes, they prove a theory that you believe.
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AnAtheist:
Look here, according to PhilVaz even Cardinal Ratzinger accepts my statements: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=464491#post464491QUOTE]

Cardinal Ratzinger accepts objective scientific theory within the reality of God’s kingdom.
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AnAtheist:
No it doesn’t. “This is the truth” really means “this statement is true”. Truth does not exist by itself, the whole term only makes sense when applied to a statement.QUOTE]

If one falls into a hot burning furnace, he will get burned. This is true.

If one can attain the speed of light, time stops and mass becomes infinite. That is a theory. Of course Jesus is the Light of the world. So this theory partially explains his now not being bound by time or space.

If truth can not exist by itself, then what does Jesus mean when he states that he is “the way, the truth, and the life?” Jn 14:6
 
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Mickey:
If you believe and there is no God,
when you die, you’ve lost nothing.

If you don’t believe and there is a God,
when you die, you’ve lost everything.

If you believe and there is a God,
when you die, you’ve gained everything.

🙂
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The problem with that kind of thinking is you are believing just in case there is a God, if what you do is follow completely through with that line of thinking by trying to consider all possibilities. Considering those other two possibilities puts one in the category of doubting the existance of God, and the other recogonizes God but offer no faith in his promises or reverance or respect for Him.
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Rogpodge:
 
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MarkAnthonyCozy:
If one can attain the speed of light, time stops and mass becomes infinite. That is a theory.
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No, that has been measured. (BTW particles with mass cannot move with lightspeed, while particles with no mass at all must move with lightspeed.)
The theory, that explains this behaviour of mass, is “lightspeed is the same of every observer regardless of his frame of reference”. Aka special relativity. The effects on mass and time are predicted by that theory and can be observed every day. Therfore it is a good (or believable) theory.
If truth can not exist by itself, then what does Jesus mean when he states that he is “the way, the truth, and the life?” Jn 14:6
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Nothing, it’s just sophistry.
 
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AnAtheist:
Ok, I will formulate this more cautiously. Physical laws do not prevent free choices, as the uncertainty principle disproves determinism. I.e. the current state of the universe (as a whole) does not predetermine the future state due to quantum effects.

In the 19th century scientists thought the universe’s future state is completely determined by the current state, therefore to make a creative or free thought process some supernatural power (mind, soul, tao, whatever you want to call it) would be neccessary. Which is completely logical. But, since we know today, that the universe is not fully determined, those thought processes could be as well completely natural, i.e. in accordance with the physical laws.
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Well, according to science, it is determined. Everything continues in the direction it is going, unless it is acted upon by another force that changes it. This is inertia. Nothing changes its motion of its own will. The sun is not going to change its rotation around the center of the universe. The earth will not change its rotation around the sun.

Some things they can’t predict, like the position of an electron in an atom at any particular time. But everything follows universal laws.

The way science is defined, nothing is completely random. There is always something underlying the motion or the path of the reaction or whatever. There are reasons why certain substrates and catalysts are used in a reaction while others will not work.
 
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Rogpodge:
The problem with that kind of thinking is you are believing just in case there is a God, if what you do is follow completely through with that line of thinking by trying to consider all possibilities. Considering those other two possibilities puts one in the category of doubting the existance of God, and the other recogonizes God but offer no faith in his promises or reverance or respect for Him.
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Its not any idea that says, “just in case”. It only says that it is logical to follow God because you can only lose from being atheist, and you can only win from being a theist. Its speaking directly to the atheist.
 
Those who believe in Pascal’s Wager as a conversion tool, here’s Adrian Barnett’s Atheist’s Wager:
It is better to live your life as if there are no Gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, He will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in Him. And if God is not benevolent, he’s gonna git ya whatever you do!
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Dave’s Shades of Pascal is another read.
 
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wolpertinger:
Those who believe in Pascal’s Wager as a conversion tool, here’s Adrian Barnett’s Atheist’s Wager:

Dave’s Shades of Pascal is another read.
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That is a completely illogical response. Denying God is the whole point of hell. It is not about whether you believed. Hell is for those who deny God. That is exactly what Barnett is saying to do.
 
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