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Could someone please help me with a debate i’m having with a atheist? Could someone help me explain why the book of enoch isn’t in the bible, even though enoch is metnioned in the bible.
This person says there are 25 books mentioned in the bible but not used. I’ve tried explaining it to him, but he wont listen. I need a simple short answer. Because people like him will only listen to a short sharp answer. Thanks for any help offered up.
 
Well, you could ask him where in the bible it says that all persons mentioned in the bible whose names are also mentioned in extrabiblical documents should have those documents included in the bible as well. But you probably won’t get a straight answer. There are plenty of fragments and copies of all sorts of letters and books that were complied in the first four centuries A.D., including some very excellent works like the didache. But the problem is, they were not inspired by God.

Here’s a modern example.

In the Bible, there are the psalms, right?

In our contemporary songbooks, there are lots of songs based on the psalms, like “On Eagle’s wings”.

Now, suppose that you have copies (and back in the 4th century you didn’t have punctuation and you were working in Koine Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and Latin to check what was God’s inspired word) not just of the psalms (NAB, KJV, Douay Rheims et. al) BUT ALSO copies of all those cutesy psalm songs as well to be considered as God’s word.

Now, the SONGS might have a LOT of a psalm in them. But they are NOT equal to the psalms themselves. The songs usually aren’t complete, or they put an emphasis on one part of the psalm and not another part.

A lot of people might prefer the songs because of the rhythm, because the words are more ‘modern’, etc. But they’d be wrong to put them in the Bible as the inspired psalms of God.

Just so, to put Enoch, the Shepherd of Hermes, the Didache, the gospel of Thomas et. al into the Bible (and make no mistake, all those books were scrutinized just as thoroughly as the 4 gospels, acts, et. al), is equally wrong.

God gave us the Bible through the Catholic Church the way He wanted, guided by His Spirit and embodied in the Word of His Son Jesus Christ. If He had wanted Enoch in the Bible, Enoch would BE IN THE BIBLE, since God is omnipotent and omniscent. He KNEW what He wanted and He made sure it was accomplished.

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Could someone please help me with a debate i’m having with a atheist? Could someone help me explain why the book of enoch isn’t in the bible, even though enoch is metnioned in the bible.
This person says there are 25 books mentioned in the bible but not used. I’ve tried explaining it to him, but he wont listen. I need a simple short answer. Because people like him will only listen to a short sharp answer. Thanks for any help offered up.
It is my understanding, that the Author of the Book of Enoch is unknown and unverfiable. Also since Enoch was back at the beginning of time (prior to written materials), then who in the world wrote it? These form the basis of not including it in the Bible.
 
I suppose I would ask the atheist, what is in the Book of Enoch that he believes warrants it being in the Bible. Put the burden of proof on him where it belongs.
 
Could someone please help me with a debate i’m having with a atheist? Could someone help me explain why the book of enoch isn’t in the bible, even though enoch is metnioned in the bible.
This person says there are 25 books mentioned in the bible but not used. I’ve tried explaining it to him, but he wont listen. I need a simple short answer. Because people like him will only listen to a short sharp answer. Thanks for any help offered up.
Only writings that were inspired by the Holy Spirit can form part of the canon. Enoch is not inspired. The Holy Spirit guides the Church under certain conditions to be able to proclaim infallible truth. Recognizing the canon of Scripture is one area that was infallibly protected.
 
Thanks mathetes. one more thing, the books of jasher and the other books or people mention in bible but books arent mentioned in the bible. can the same be said about them?
 
Could someone please help me with a debate i’m having with a atheist? Could someone help me explain why the book of enoch isn’t in the bible, even though enoch is metnioned in the bible.
This person says there are 25 books mentioned in the bible but not used. I’ve tried explaining it to him, but he wont listen. I need a simple short answer. Because people like him will only listen to a short sharp answer. Thanks for any help offered up.
Interesting… did you ask why is it so important for him that Enoch’s book or any of the 25 other books be included in the Bible?
Let’s say tomorrow the Church decides to include these books in the canon. Will that make any difference to him ? I think he’s just splitting hairs. The Bible is not intended as a self-contained collection together with a complete set of cross references… that’s not possible even in modern times. Imagine the American Heritage Dictionary shipped together with all the books it references :rolleyes:

Alex.
 
Could someone please help me with a debate i’m having with a atheist? Could someone help me explain why the book of enoch isn’t in the bible, even though enoch is metnioned in the bible.
This person says there are 25 books mentioned in the bible but not used. I’ve tried explaining it to him, but he wont listen. I need a simple short answer. Because people like him will only listen to a short sharp answer. Thanks for any help offered up.
Why would a book mentioned by the bible need to be in the bible? That’s what I would say. What possible reason could an atheist have for making this assumption?
 
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