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My wife and I are experiencing sorrow over the loss of relations with our grown children. We have four grown children and just recently my youngest daughter has “civil unioned” with her partner. Her homosexual leanings had been known to us for some time now, and she was well aware of our disagreement with her about the immorality of such a lifestyle. Short story, she has cut off relations with us because we would not “validate” her happiness by attending the reception/party. We explained that it would be impossible to “celebrate” her happiness when we were so concerned about the grave nature of what she and her partner were engaged in. We simply could not be seen by all to be giving her a blessing for her immoral relationship.
My main plea is, is there any help or advice in dealing with this grief? My oldest son has turned his back to us as well and is denying us contact with his son. The evil consequences of this episode just seem to be multiplying.
My wife and I are firm in our convictions, we are willing and are offering up this terrible suffering for the conversion of our children. But the suffering does not seem to level out. In my case it seems to be growing daily and it has an overwhelming character to it. My wife is suffering as well with a deep heart pain.
I am thinking that this is just the nature of the wound. I would appreciate any advice or ideas here.
Thanks in advance…
Peace to all,
Tom
 
I have no advice to offer, but I offer you all of my heart and my prayers. Just reading your post brings tears to my eyes. I am a young mother. My child still clings to me and runs to me when she is hurt. I can’t even fathom how complete and burdensome your heartache must be. 😦 Please know that I am praying for you and your wife!!!
 
i am so sorry your children have turned away from you and your wife. i will add you to my prayers and the only advice i can offer is to pray that the Holy Spirit will lead them back to our Lord.
 
Praying for you and your wife, as well as your children.

God bless

jesus g
 
Terribly sorry to hear of your loss. And when you get older it is even more of a loss.
I will pray to our dear Lady for you. Best wishes.
 
I do thank you all for your prayers. your messages of support and concern are greatly appreciated.
Peace,
Tom
 
I am so sorry you are both hurting so much, I will keep you in my prayers.
Read Matthew, Chapter 10

32 'So if anyone declares himself for me in the presence of human beings, I will declare myself for him in the presence of my Father in heaven.

33 But the one who disowns me in the presence of human beings, I will disown in the presence of my Father in heaven.

34 'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword.

35 For I have come to set son against father, daughter against mother, daughter-in-law against mother-in-law;

36 a person’s enemies will be the members of his own household.

37 'No one who prefers father or mother to me is worthy of me. No one who prefers son or daughter to me is worthy of me.

38 Anyone who does not take his cross and follow in my footsteps is not worthy of me.

Happy Easter!!
 
Hopefully all of us who read your post will help you carry your burden of sorrow through our prayers. If we saw you, we would hug you and tell you we care, and we ache with compassion.
I’ve experienced various levels of estrangement from family members too. We can’t “fix” sorrow. We leave the healing up to God – I’ve learned to offer up both my joys and my sorrows to God each day. Each day. Our Lord’s Sacred Heart understands what we are enduring, and we trust that He hears our prayers for our children and other family members.
Stay strong in keeping your relationship with God your top priority.
I’ll pray for healing within your family, as well as for conversion on the part of your daughter.
 
Thank you for your prayers. I have been offering up my suffering every day. I wonder though am I expecting that offering up to alleviate the suffering? I’ve been thinking this through somewhat and I think I’m leaning in this direction: At Vigil Mass last night I was praying to the Lord to help me with this burden and I was feeling my broken heart in a very burdensome way at Mass.I felt like the lord did not wish to take the suffering away, but enable me to bear it by letting the Holy Spirit give me strength. So I offered it to Him and asked for the strength to bear the entire burden, the full depth of my ruptured family, and my broken heart as well as the suffering of my wife. I think maybe this how I am to suffer, by letting Him give me the strength to do so.
Does anyone think I am off track with this thinking? I am not very certain I am thinking this through very well. Thanks so much for your help and prayers.
Tom
 
I am so sorry you are both hurting so much, I will keep you in my prayers.
Read Matthew, Chapter 10

32 'So if anyone declares himself for me in the presence of human beings, I will declare myself for him in the presence of my Father in heaven.

33 But the one who disowns me in the presence of human beings, I will disown in the presence of my Father in heaven.

34 'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword.

35 For I have come to set son against father, daughter against mother, daughter-in-law against mother-in-law

36 a person’s enemies will be the members of his own household.

37 'No one who prefers father or mother to me is worthy of me. No one who prefers son or daughter to me is worthy of me.

38 Anyone who does not take his cross and follow in my footsteps is not worthy of me.

Happy Easter!!
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First, if possible, I would try not to take your daughter’s rebellion personally. I know that is easy to say. Your daughter’s rebellion IS, even though you would not be able to tell it easily, her own search for God. Your daughter probably sees traditional morality as imperfect and hypocritical. And she is rebelling against this imperfection, believing that the opposite path must be the road to perfection. Of course, she will learn that perfection is in God’s nature, not in human nature.

Also understand that God still loves your daughter, even if your daughter does not love God. Your daughter’s hatred of God is a form of love, just the opposite form. She is feeling intensely for God, but hatred rather than love. Everything flows into its opposite.

When I was 20 years old I went through a potent anger at traditional Catholicism and at the hypocrisy I saw embodied in Western religion. But I did return to my roots eventually, and rediscovered Catholicism in its more pure beginnings, its roots.

Another thing that might help. A larger view. History moves in 36 year cycles. 18 years of unity and progress. This is the easy cycle in terms of spirituality. Everything goes forward with ease. Everything expands. If you have lived long enough, perhaps you can see this in your own life. I am also suffering. Why am I suffering? I am suffering because something in me is dying: a life I created, a life I built.

1983-2001. This was a period of creation. We all built our lives; and our progress was relatively easily. Everything expanded, as the universe itself expands duirng the creation process. The society is relatively unified. Everyone believes in the law of progress and order. Then, everything stopped, stopped expanding, and began to collapse in on itself. Of course, we see this in our economy – but our personal lives also began to collapse. The world we built from 1983-2001 began to disintegrate. This would be explained by your daughter’s rebellion. From 2001 to 2019 we are all living in a world that is no longer expanding; our hopes are no longer expanding; our plans are imploding. We have lost money, lost health, lost progresss in our dreams. This is a spiritual fact. These contractions and splintering will continue until 2019.

I went through my first spiritual death experience 1965-1983. It was devastating. We also saw America distintegrate, socially, racially, politically. I wrote a kind of book of revelations during that period, which documented a descent into the underworld, very much like Dante’s Divine Comedy. The book is u(name removed by moderator)ublished. In 1983, I went through an experience that was very much like the Book of Revelations, with Michael the Archangel playing a pivotal role, a pregnant woman from Israel playing the role of Mary and the Earth, and a Satanic angel attempting to harm both of us.

After this experience, the world began to expand, and life became easy, and we soared, as a culture, into the Promised Land. I thought it would never end. But then, in 2001, it ended. The expansion ended. We had a Tower of Babel experience with the Twin Towers (Yes, I am seeing this as a ‘hand of God’ exprience), with God punishing America for pride, hubris, greed, and for worshipping the wrong God, the God of Money.

There will be 18 years of sorrow, downsizing, getting small, with the goal of passing through the eye of the needle. This is, in one sense, punishment; but it is also how Nature (God is the mind of Nature) balances the world. Our culture is out of balance. We think we are like God. We are proud of our intellect, our military power. Wall Street even had workers wearing “Masters of the Universe” tshirts before the collapse of Wall Street in 2008. This is the pride that NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED now. Death comes into the world. From 1983-2001, the expansion felt that there was no Death, there was no shadow. From 2001-2019, the shadow, Death, is very strong. This is a testing of your spiritual strength. Your daughter’s rebellion is a test of your faith. Suffering tempers your soul. Why do we suffer?

The Creation, the Growth Period, 1983-2001, is the Age of the Father. Everything expands. The Destruction, the Decay Period, 2001-2019 (1965-1983) is the Age of the Son. During the Age of the Soul we all suffer the same fate as Jesus Christ, although onot necessarily on the physical plane. Our dreams die; our faith is challenged; we become hopeless. The world becomes darker and darker. Even doing little things becomes almost impossible.

But there is good news. In 2019, the Holy Trinity will manifest; and the opposition of Faher and Son (or of Father and Daughter in your case), will, through the Age of the Holy Spirit, transmute again, change direction, and the Son will be fused to the Father again in Divine Love, through Divine Fire, and through foregiveness. The Daughter will forgive the Father for his imperfection; and the Daughter will also forgive herself for her lack of perfection: these two branches of forgiveness are, in fact, the fame branch. The Holy Spirit’s Divine First fuses the division in the House back into a New Harmony, a New Unity, and expansion begins again, relieving us of our pain, our sense of contraction, hopelessness, sorrow. The darkness will begin to lift. It is a slow process, this lifing of darkness. The New Sun will be born in 2019, like a seed is born. For the next 9 years there will be a continued battle, which will be slowly won by the expanding light.

We are all suffering now. Do not think you are alone in this suffering. From 2001 through 2019, we are all reliving the sorrows of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
 
I am long-winded. I apologize for that. I wanted to add a note.

There is another way to view what I am saying above. In 1983, the sap again begins to slow UP the Tree of Life. The sap spends the Dark Age, the Winter, in the root-structure, below the earth, buried, awaiting rebirth or resurrection – this is comparable to Christ’s descent into the underworld after his death.

This sap – golden light, or golden blood – rises up the Tree of Life from 1983-2001. This flow is outward and upward, into the leaves and eventually into the fruit. In 2001, the creation results in a harvest of fruit – the harvest of the Global Civilization. Nothing in nature grows for ever. When the expansion ends (when the civilization period ends, the fruiting of the Tree of Life) then the sap changes direction – this is the Holy Spirit turning the unity into division, as told by the Tower of Babel story – and then the sap flows back into the trunk and eventually down into the roots, where it spends the Dark Age, the Tree of Life withering, the society resting, losing its expansive creativity, suffering, searching for God.

The most recent historical Dark Age, after the collapse of the Roman Empire, is an example of this on the larger scale. The Sabbath or Dark Age is the time of monasticism. It is also the time of Chaos on the Earth, hunger, starvation, and pestilence. Suffering.

In 2019, the sap will again change direction – this Holy Spirit experience is more like the Pentecostal experiience, changing all the many languages and tongues back into the One Tongue of Understanding, generating Unity again, through an emerging Will to Live that affects the entire society, making the light strong enough to rise back up the Tree of Life again.

The incarnation of the Civilization Spirit (through tribalism, nationalism, and family love, ancestorism) is energy being directed outward to manifest the law of nature and God in the objective world. The Death of the Civilization Spirit, the sap turning back down from the fruit and branches of the Tree of Life, is the Sabbath experience. The Sabbath is occasioned for the study of God, the pursuit of God, an inward journey, though doubt, suffering and darkness.

Why do we study God’s nature and God’s law during the Dark Age with such passion? Because we are desperate; we are in pain; we are begging God to show us the way, to save us from our pain and our fear. We study God’s law so we can survive this Death Experience. So we can understand why we are hurting, where we are going; to try to make sense of our anguish. We are all in the Garden of Gethsemane; we are all carrying a cross to Calvary. The Day-Cycle of creation is the Age of the Father, the Age of the Spirit; the Night-Cycle of destruction is the Age of the Son, the Soul, which always results in psychic death by crucifixion…and then through Resurrection, through the Grace of the Female Principle, the Holy Spirit.

The Creation lasts 18 years. And the Sabbath also lasts 18 years.
 
Thank you for your concern MJC2013, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
 
. . . I felt like the lord did not wish to take the suffering away, but enable me to bear it by letting the Holy Spirit give me strength. So I offered it to Him and asked for the strength to bear the entire burden, the full depth of my ruptured family, and my broken heart as well as the suffering of my wife. I think maybe this how I am to suffer, by letting Him give me the strength to do so.
Does anyone think I am off track with this thinking? I am not very certain I am thinking this through very well. Thanks so much for your help and prayers.
Tom
That is how I would understand this situation.

Your suffering has been caused by the choices your kids have made. The secular world does not really care about your daughter, but would support her belief that she is entitled to do as she pleases. It is very sad. It also seems very unfair of your son.

At any rate there is no quick fix here, and I too would be praying for the strength to cope with the suffering and to be able to help my wife.

I would also ask for love to grow in my heart, as these sorts of situations can make one bitter, mistrustful of the world and maybe even God, as well as feeling unjustifiably guilty and ashamed.
 
Thank you for your concern MJC2013, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I’m saying your daughter is searching for God in her own way. A rebellion against God is also a search for God. And things, ideas, believes, often flow into their opposite. The radical left wing rebel in youth often becomes the conservative Christian in maturity – this happened to myself.

I’m also saying there are cycles of suffering built into life. And the cross you are carrying today, your daughter’s rebellion, will find relief eventually (around 2019).

You can’t control your daughter. You have to remember that she has her own life, her own journey to find God. If she asks for help, give it to her. But you can’t make her obey you for ever. She needs to find God according to her own path. She has an angel watching over her also.
 
Thank you for your concern MJC2013, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I’m saying your daughter is searching for God in her own way. A rebellion against God is also a search for God. And things, ideas, beliefs, often flow into their opposite. The radical left wing rebel in youth often becomes the conservative Christian in maturity – this happened to myself.

I’m also saying there are cycles of suffering built into life. And the cross you are carrying today, your daughter’s rebellion, will find relief eventually (around 2019).

You can’t control your daughter. You have to remember that she has her own life, her own journey to find God. If she asks for help, give it to her. But you can’t make her obey you for ever. She needs to find God according to her own path. She has an angel watching over her also, even if she seems lost to you now.

We all get lost; and then get found again. We go through Days when its easy to see; and then Nights, when we are blind and lost. We find God during our Nights.

Love your daughter more, and judge her less. When Jesus came down to earth, he chose to live with the poor, the criminal, the prostitutes and theives, because they needed his message more than the hypocrites who ran the world with their worldly success, their money, their power, and their high-minded moral judgments.

Your daughter needs your love more than your judgments. If your daughter is embarassing you, then that’s your ego being wounded, your image of yourself in the world. The Mind knows best how to judge; the Heart, the Soul, knows best how to love.
 
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