Help with understanding the plight of Moses

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My friend who’s studying about Moses posed us a question:

"If God is a forgiving and loving God, why did he not let Mosses into the
promised land just because he disobeyed God in the desert? After all, he has
led the Israelites for 40 years in their journey.

If Moses is such a good man and God cannot forgive him for that one
disobedience, where do I/we stand…?"

She’s referring to Numbers 20:12 and Deuteronomy 32:48-52

I know that Moses was punished for his lapse in faith. However I’m exactly sure how to answer this question and I’ve tried searching the web, but I couldn’t really find substantial. I was wondering if anyone could help me out?
 
  • Was Moses aware that there was more to God’s Promise than simply Canaan (the earthly promised land)?
  • The Israelites were prevented from crossing the Jordan because they didn’t trust God’s word. When they claimed that the Canaanites were giants, they had to stay in the dessert. Is God showing that no one is too good to be able to doubt God’s word?
 
Numbers 20
2And there was no water for the congregation: and they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron.

7And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 8Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his[Christ’s] water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink. 9And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him. 10And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? 11And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also. 12And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify [TO SET APART,TO SEPERATE] me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. 13This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified[SET APART, TO SEPERATE] in them.

Deuteronomy 32:48-52
48And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying, 49Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession: 50And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: 51Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of MeribahKadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified[TO SET APART, TO SEPERATE] me not in the midst of the children of Israel. 52Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

Remember how in our original parents, Adam and Eve, we are all destined for hell because we are all born into original sin.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Lamentations 5:7
Our fathers have sinned, and are not; and we have borne their iniquities.

The original sin is our iniquitie. And God hates iniquity, which is another word for sin.

Hebrews 1:9
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Romans 9:13
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated

Psalm 11:5
5The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Just for being born, and being nice and humble and believing in God and doing good works, is not a precondition for salvatino, infact the bible says it is as “NOTHING” It is a selfish pridful mankind that thinks nowadays that they are to be destined for heaven just because they live pretty decent humble lives, and believe on the Lord. Well the same issue that is prevelaint today was the same back then. They felt they had the right to think and will and believe their own plan, that they deserved goodness and mercy and that it was due to them just because they were somewhat decent people and had hardships and even after God had showed them miracle after miacle, Aarons rod swollowing Pharaohs rods, the Ten plagues, Pharoah letting Israel go with a hard hand, Pharoah chasing Israel into the Red sea. Moses parting the Red Sea, the Mana from heaven, etc, etc. It was Gos pleasure to let the people go astray as was their will, and when Israel again would call on the name of God, then He would be right their with His awesom love. Everytime. In this instance, Moses struck the rock, who is Christ, twice, thereby killing Christ twice. This was a big error on Moses part, as he willfully disobeyed the command of God, regardless of all the righteous work Moses did. Which was really Gods work.

God was performing a miracle, Gods miracle, and this was in order to set God apart, to sanctify Himself to the people by being the Rock, by shedding the water, which is a parable for the blood of Christ being shed, and the command was the strick the rock once, that was enough to do the work, to pay for the sins, to die only once, However what Moses did was to say that God was not aware of the needs of Isreal and striking the rock once would not be enough, well that is unbelief and this takes glory away from God, who was to be sanctified and set apart for His children, though Israel obviously knew better and had other ideas. The punishement for Moses’s unbelief was to die before EnteringCanaan.

This is a parable, the rock is Christ, and He died for our sins, His blood was shed, and by His blood we are saved and sanctified by the blood of Christ, there is that word again, Sanctify. It is by the blood of Christ that we are sanctified, meaning we are set apart, meaning we are elect and chosen, which is another word for predestination, and all the work was done by Christ. We can look at this parable, which is an earthly story with a spiritual meaning, indeed Moses was the earthly story, the rock is the earthly story, the spiritual meaning points to Christ, and His Love for His chosen. Moses and Israel must not have believed that striking the rock once was adequate for their needs, they didn’t realize that this was a parable, however we do now, and the parable says that Christ needed to die and pay for our sins only once, and by His blood, which is the water of Life, we are sactified, cleaned and payed for, no other payment or additional payment required.

1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ


So even though Moses lost his life by disobeyeing God, we still see on the transfiguration that he is indeed still a saved man. He may have lost his physical life, but by the mercy of God he was given eternal life. Amen and God bless
 
Moses was refused entrance to the Promised Land. He wasn’t refused entrance to Heaven (although he had to wait until Christ was crucified to get there, like everyone else). The reason for the earthly punishment was (IMO) not that God couldn’t forgive Moses, but to show both Moses and the Israelites that actions have consequences, even if you’re one of the “good guys.”

I hope that helps.

–Jen
 
Hey, your question has already been admirably answered by able Catholics, but I will add a bit as well.

This boils down to the Catholic belief that God can forgive, and still administer corrective action (purgatory is an extension of this concept).

David was a man after God’s own Heart, and was forgiven for his evil deed regarding Bathsheba, but God still administered punishment. Indeed, he gave David a choice, and thousands of people lost their lives because of his actions (this also continues the theme of representation demonstrated by Adam, Moses, etc).

This does NOT mean, however, that Moses was denied entrance to the TRUE promised land, and that’s really what it’s all about. I do believe that the patriarchs had a good idea of what was truly awaiting for them. The book of Hebrews points out that somehow Abraham knew that Isaac would be resurrected from the dead, because He believed in God’s promise that much. There are other hints that the patriarchs were aware of the greater spiritual realities and fulfillments that the 3 part covenant with Abraham actually entailed, and that is why they suffered and believed in God the way they did so doggedly.

Moses made a few mistakes, actually. The last straw, however, was not believing God. He struck the rock instead of speaking the words, he placed his trust, in essence, in the staff; in “what works” instead of God, the source of the power to begin with. As a leader, doubting God can have disastrous consequences.

Leaders are accountable, even more so, for their actions, particularly spiritual leaders, and their judgements are more harsh, as passages in the New Testament point out. This does not mean that God does not forgive.

Yes, this passage in the OT is a bummer. As a kid it always bothered me. But Moses saw the bigger picture, and I imagine he died in a state of unimagineable peace.

God Bless.
 
Yes, this passage in the OT is a bummer. As a kid it always bothered me. But Moses saw the bigger picture, and I imagine he died in a state of unimagineable peace.
Indeed. The Scripture says God buried him (Deut. 4) and St. Michel the Archangel defended his corpse from Satan (Jude 1:9). I can’t imagine a much better way to go. Though it must have been tragic to him to not set foot in the Promised Land prior to death.
 
Can you imagine the awesome respect involved when your Greator is the one that buries you? Wow. And to see Yahweh face to face as a friend…It amazes me every time I read the Old Testament.
 
Indeed. The Scripture says God buried him (Deut. 4) and St. Michel the Archangel defended his corpse from Satan (Jude 1:9). I can’t imagine a much better way to go. Though it must have been tragic to him to not set foot in the Promised Land prior to death.
No. I think it was heartening for him to know that he was able to see to the REST of Israel entering Canaan. Moses, in my opinion, died a peaceful death knowing that Israel could move forward only due to the wonders that God had done through him.
 
Can you imagine the awesome respect involved when your Greator is the one that buries you? Wow. And to see Yahweh face to face as a friend…It amazes me every time I read the Old Testament.
Yeah. The only prophet comparable, really, has to be Jesus, who did all that Moses did only He did it spiritually, bringing the true Bread of Heaven for the world, opening the Red Sea so that humanity could leave bondage through the Sacrament of Baptism, leading the New Israel to the Promised Land, using His power to destroy all forces that seek to impede His New Israel (“No one can snatch them out of my hand,” He says), etc., etc. Moses is the Old Testament’s greatest type of Christ, I think, and Christ alone did greater things.
No. I think it was heartening for him to know that he was able to see to the REST of Israel entering Canaan. Moses, in my opinion, died a peaceful death knowing that Israel could move forward only due to the wonders that God had done through him.
Not being able to enter the Promised Land had to have been tragic. Else God wouldn’t have punished him in that way, but would have used something that actually hurt.

This doesn’t mean he didn’t die peacefully, of course. He could certainly have been deeply hurt, but renounced himself and found peace in the Lord through the suffering. Considering how close he was to God, I expect that that’s what happened.
 
My friend who’s studying about Moses posed us a question:

"If God is a forgiving and loving God, why did he not let Mosses into the
promised land just because he disobeyed God in the desert? After all, he has
led the Israelites for 40 years in their journey.

If Moses is such a good man and God cannot forgive him for that one
disobedience, where do I/we stand…?"

She’s referring to Numbers 20:12 and Deuteronomy 32:48-52

I know that Moses was punished for his lapse in faith. However I’m exactly sure how to answer this question and I’ve tried searching the web, but I couldn’t really find substantial. I was wondering if anyone could help me out?

Faults which would be less grave in someone far less privileged than Moses, to whom so very much had been given, were more serious in Moses because he had received so much. He was less excusable than one who had received less might be. He was:​

  • law-giver
  • mediator
  • intercessor
  • judge
  • priest
  • miracle-worker
  • prophet
  • ruler
  • mystic
  • fore-type of Christ
  • chosen by God
  • all in one. That is not the end. No other OT Saint was offered this, so no other OT Saint replied like this:
  • 7 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, ‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’
  • 9 “I have seen these people,” the LORD said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people. 10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.”
  • 11 But Moses sought the favor of the LORD his God. “O LORD,” he said, "why should your anger burn against your people, whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians say, ‘It was with evil intent that he brought them out, to kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth’? Turn from your fierce anger; relent and do not bring disaster on your people. 13 Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.’ " 14 Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 32&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 32&version=NIV)

STM he was a Christian before Christ; for what do those words of his show, if not humility, love, self-sacrifice & self-forgetfulness ? The severity of his punishment is the measure of his stature.

Which is a reminder for us: privilege always entails responsibility; they are indissoluble. So it is far more dangerous to be a Christian than to die without having been evangelised. That’s why the faithlessness of Israel and Judah was punished far more heavily than the comparatively less guilty nations round about: those nations had not been chosen as God’s Covenant People; they had received far less light than Israel & Judah:

Amos 3

1 Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, 2You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Amos 3&version=KJV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Amos 3&version=KJV)

Amos is reversing the hope of a day when Israel would be able to look on in comfort while her enemies round about got their come-uppance: he is including Israel among the nations whom God will punish for their sins, instead of exempting her, as was usually believed would happen.

On the same principle, if we boast and make much of our graces, we shall be judged by the knowledge of God’s mercy which those boasts imply, & our Hell will be more terrible, for we will not have the excuse of ignorance that others will be able to make. God had not made the Moabites, Philistines, or other peoples His Chosen People - that privilege was given only to Israel; and she was judged by it.

The same thinking applies in the case of Moses; so a very slight sin - as it might seem to us - was punished by forbidding him to enter the Promised Land. He was not immediately resigned to this loss, but he did not question its justice. That he was punished like this for his fault, presupposes his God-given privileges; hence these words at the end of Deuteronomy 34:
  • 10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
  • 11 who did all those miraculous signs and wonders the LORD sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land.
  • 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.
[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+34&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+34&version=NIV)

And that passage tells only a little of what he was and did; as is shown in the earlier books.

Does that help ?
 
Yeah. The only prophet comparable, really, has to be Jesus,

👍👍👍 That is*** so*** true. As is your “Moses is the Old Testament’s greatest type of Christ, I think, and Christ alone did greater things.”​

who did all that Moses did only He did it spiritually, bringing the true Bread of Heaven for the world, opening the Red Sea so that humanity could leave bondage through the Sacrament of Baptism, leading the New Israel to the Promised Land, using His power to destroy all forces that seek to impede His New Israel (“No one can snatch them out of my hand,” He says), etc., etc. Moses is the Old Testament’s greatest type of Christ, I think, and Christ alone did greater things.

Not being able to enter the Promised Land had to have been tragic. Else God wouldn’t have punished him in that way, but would have used something that actually hurt.

This doesn’t mean he didn’t die peacefully, of course. He could certainly have been deeply hurt, but renounced himself and found peace in the Lord through the suffering. Considering how close he was to God, I expect that that’s what happened.
 
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