Help: Yoga in Catholic Classroom?

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Yes, most definitely I disagree.

While many (not all by any means) religions hold some truths,
Hang on. What is an example of a religion that doesn’t hold any truths (leaving Satanism out of it)?
rarely do you anyone in those faiths come to Christ.
I’m not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you mean “rarely does anyone come to Christ based simply on the truth in those religions, without hearing the Gospel from a Christian”? I agree with that, but I can’t see that that negates what I said. I was making a statement about the nature of truth, not about the practical effect. Obviously, in a sense the existence of truth in other religions may make them less likely to convert. Indeed, without some truth it would be hard (if not impossible) for a religion to exist at all, at least on any scale and over a significant amount of time.
Further, the Catholic faith contains the fullness of truth, which means that anything that is good in another religion is already present in the Catholic faith, so it is pure redundancy for a Catholic to know other faiths (not bad, just redundant).
In the form implied by this sentence, the statement “the Catholic faith contains the fullness of truth” is obviously false. The statement “the Catholic faith *implicitly *contains the fullness of truth” is arguably true. But in that case, other traditions (both Christian and non-Christian) are needed in order to tease out those implications.

If the Catholic Church explicitly contains the fullness of truth in an explicit, developed form at this moment, it follows that no further doctrinal development can take place. It furthermore follows that the Catholic Church did not contain the fullness of truth until this moment, since clearly doctrinal development has been ongoing for the past 2000 years.
Finally, since every soul in Heaven is “Catholic,” why shouldn’t we be teaching our kids to be Catholic in this world first?
I am not suggesting for an instant that Catholics should not teach their kids to be Catholic. Furthermore, I suspect that the OP has reason to be concerned. I know there’s a lot of silly New Age fluff in the more liberal circles of Catholicism (as in mainline Protestantism). I’m simply trying to raise what I think are important questions relevant to the OP. This is a discussion board, after all.

Edwin
 
Edwin,

I am the OP, so while you raise sound questions, we are beginning to stray from the topic I posted. The point here is not to argue about the merits (or lack therein) of studying other religions. The point is: Should Catholic children in elemntary levels be given conflicting messages about faith within the context and setting of a Roman Catholic school?

I say no.
 
Edwin,

I am the OP, so while you raise sound questions, we are beginning to stray from the topic I posted. The point here is not to argue about the merits (or lack therein) of studying other religions. The point is: Should Catholic children in elemntary levels be given conflicting messages about faith within the context and setting of a Roman Catholic school?

I say no.
And I agree! NOT at the elementary level…
Jr. High/High school… there is room to do a separate subjects like “World Religion” along with “Catholic Religion” At the Jr. High/High School level you start doing ‘special interest’ classes.

However, that being said, if the moves of yoga were being taught during gym class, again MINUS the Religion, I would say it was questionable. However for yoga to replace topics like the 10 commandments, scripture, Trinity, Church history, Saints etc is just wrong.
 
And I agree! NOT at the elementary level…
Jr. High/High school… there is room to do a separate subjects like “World Religion” along with “Catholic Religion” At the Jr. High/High School level you start doing ‘special interest’ classes.

However, that being said, if the moves of yoga were being taught during gym class, again MINUS the Religion, I would say it was questionable. However for yoga to replace topics like the 10 commandments, scripture, Trinity, Church history, Saints etc is just wrong.
That is how I feel too. I will address this with the Pastor.
 
My son’s 4th grade class is using yoga for meditation and relaxation, usign the Lotust position. I realize yoga in the hands of a strong Catholic is not likely to do harm, but should our kids be doing such things in a Catholic school?

Yoga is founded in eastern religions, it makes no sense to me.

Help?
Yoga practice does not belong in Catholic schools. I would talk to the teacher, principle, pastor, etc. and pursue this till it is stopped.

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0275.html

crossveil.org/page7.html
 
Edwin,

I am the OP, so while you raise sound questions, we are beginning to stray from the topic I posted. The point here is not to argue about the merits (or lack therein) of studying other religions. The point is: Should Catholic children in elemntary levels be given conflicting messages about faith within the context and setting of a Roman Catholic school?

I say no.
With all due respect, this begs the question of whether the practice of yoga sends conflicting messages. That I think is the real issue. And I’m honestly not sure about it. I tend to think “not necessarily, but I’m not sure I trust the average Catholic school these days.”

But it’s not really my business. I’ll bow out now, though it might be fun to start a separate thread on the “other religions” question.

Edwin
 
I don’t know what it is about yoga, but I have had several friends make terrible life altaring decisions after taking yoga classes. I can’t blame yoga completely, but it is ironic that these women chose to abandon family and responsiblities. One left the church because she liked the fact that she could eat donut and coffee in during church. Weird stuff like that.

BTW: They all have decided to become Life Coaches as well. Strange how all of their decisions stemmed back to when they started taking yoga classes.
 
This Yoga and other alike practice are very dangerous to those who are having some kind of spiritual problem in their lives. A friend of my friend used to go to the church everyday, now she quit it after going to this kind of class. She does not even believe in Jesus anymore. She said Jesus is dead, and now she is worshipping some lady as a her living God, she also tries to seek something within herself rather than God.
 
Yoga/Tai-ji are a no no no for Christian. If we are not careful we will suffer spiritual warfare very easily!!! It happened to one of my frez’s son, and to that extreme my frez has to stop his son from going to church and she is having a very very negative thoughts about Christianity…

So my advise is DO NOT GO FOR such stuff!!!
 
Are you seriously suggesting that one should never study any practice that has a non-Christian origin, lest one come to worship other gods?

No more reading the Iliad and Odyssey. No more studying of astronomy. Shucks, no more sailing in boats–after all, that might lead one to think that prehistoric religions were valid.

Certainly one should not pray, because after all, ancient pagan religions prayed. One should not speak of the Eucharist as a sacrifice–that’s a very pagan concept.

My point is that Eastern cultural and religious practices are often discriminated against simply because they have not historically been part of the world in which Christians live. But we need to look at such practices and see if they are any less compatible with Christianity than the many such practices from more familiar pagan traditions that have already been incorporated into the Judaeo-Christian tradition.

If Christianity had originated in India, no doubt Christians would always have prayed in the lotus position.

Isn’t the Catholic teaching that there are valid elements in all religions? So what’s the problem here? If you teach children to reject everything about non-Christian religions, you’re setting them up for trouble later–at least if they are of a questioning disposition. C. S. Lewis said that one of the reasons he abandoned Christianity as a teenager was that he was taught to believe that all non-Christian religions were simply human constructs–mere myth and superstition. It didn’t make sense to him that Christianity (which looked so much like other religions in so many ways) was absolutely unique. He came back to faith as a result of understanding that Christianity is not completely separate from other religions–instead, it’s the fulfillment of everything that is good and true in other religions.

Edwin
There is a big difference between studying to understand, and practicing and/or participating in. We want to study why accidents occur, or why premarital sex is wrong to avoid them, and do so without participating in them. suggest you please not confuse the two. It will lead to other things… like women’s ordination, openly homosexual bishops…, separation from the true Church that Christ built.
 
There is a big difference between studying to understand, and practicing and/or participating in. We want to study why accidents occur, or why premarital sex is wrong to avoid them, and do so without participating in them. suggest you please not confuse the two.** It will lead to other things**… like women’s ordination, openly homosexual bishops…, separation from the true Church that Christ built.
Excellent post, MDK.

Interesting to see this thread “revived” only a few days ago because I myself came upon it this morning and noticed it’s a few years old.

To first address the OP - it is my opinion that to offer yoga classes to youths in the Catholic Classroom is utterly inappropriate, and certainly opens the doors wide open to Eastern religion. This is not material suitable for a 10 year old. In fact, it is unsuitable for adults. Yoga and Buddhism as co-opted practices for Catholics, or converts who use it as a leaping off point to “mend fences” between their upbringing or experiences as they pertain to getting into understanding Catholicism poses a direct hazard. One need not look far to see much has been written about this very topic.

There is an increasing popularity of Eastern thought taking a spike in contemporary culture (particularly as my experience in the US) - and especially in the form of the rising popularity of yoga again. (As an aside, the recent release by the USCCB Re: Reiki is spot on: usccb.org/comm/archives/2009/09-067.shtml where there is a link to the actual document) I think it is very rare that you would find a Christian (and most specifically a Catholic) who is wholly comfortable practicing yoga. The Catholics I know that practice yoga say they repeatedly put on their “armor” when they go to these classes. It essentially begs the question of what yoga actually IS. It’s not mere work-out of the body!!!

As happygal, water, and MMG pointed out through their examples - I am also quite familiar with this. What started as an “innocent” curiosity over finding a “gentler” exercise regimen actually led to periods of spiritual unrest. (I will not delve into it, other than to say, THANK GOD for bringing me back HOME!)

The majority (if not virtually all) yoga studios are laden with images and miniature representations of buddhas, Hindu gods and goddesses, instruction about chakra systems, the kundalini, etc. And any zendo will be just as so. To simply ignore it is not only naive, but it’s an invitation to many unforeseen dangers.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church for example explains:
#2088 The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it.

2110 The first commandment forbids honoring gods other than the one Lord who has revealed himself to his people. It proscribes superstition and irreligion. Superstition in some sense represents a perverse excess of religion; irreligion is the vice contrary by defect to the virtue of religion.​

2111 Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition.​

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of “idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see.” These empty idols make their worshippers empty: “Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them.” God, however, is the “living God” who gives life and intervenes in history.​

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."Many martyrs died for not adoring “the Beast” refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.​

#2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who “transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God.”

for further reading
Christian reflection on New Age practices
:

The success of New Age offers the Church a challenge. **People feel the Christian religion no longer offers them – or perhaps never gave them – something they really need. The search which often leads people to the New Age is a genuine yearning: for a deeper spirituality, for something which will touch their hearts, and for a way of making sense of a confusing and often alienating world. **There is a positive tone in New Age criticisms of “the materialism of daily life, of philosophy and even of medicine and psychiatry; reductionism, which refuses to take into consideration religious and supernatural experiences; the industrial culture of unrestrained individualism, which teaches egoism and pays no attention to other people, the future and the environment”.(8) Any problems there are with New Age are to be found in what it proposes as alternative answers to life’s questions. **If the Church is not to be accused of being deaf to people’s longings, her members need to do two things: to root themselves ever more firmly in the fundamentals of their faith, and to understand the often-silent cry in people’s hearts, which leads them elsewhere if they are not satisfied by the Church. **There is also a call in all of this to come closer to Jesus Christ and to be ready to follow Him, since He is the real way to happiness, the truth about God and the fulness of life for every man and woman who is prepared to respond to his love.
 
My son’s 4th grade class is using yoga for meditation and relaxation, usign the Lotust position. I realize yoga in the hands of a strong Catholic is not likely to do harm, but should our kids be doing such things in a Catholic school?

Yoga is founded in eastern religions, it makes no sense to me.

Help?
Ditto - Yoga makes no sense to me, either.

To answer your question, of course they should NOT be doing yoga in Catholic school, however, since many Catholic schools (my daughter’s school included) employ lay teachers (since there are no more nuns) who have very little knowledge (sadly) about our faith, they see nothing wrong with things like yoga.

My daughter’s school shows first graders PG movies. Nice, huh? They also invited a pro-abortion politician to speak (not knowing of his stand on abortion because he’s one of those so-called “Catholic” politicians). So we really do have to keep a vigilant eye on our Catholic schools. It’s always going to be an uphill battle, believe me (I’m the battling, loud-mouthed, complaining, pain-in-the-rear mom at my daughter’s school).

Find a good web site about the non-Christian aspect of yoga and email it to the principal. Maybe your email will wake him/her up. If you can get a few other parents to side with you, maybe you can put a stop to it.

However, in the case of my daughter’s school, I sometimes feel like I have to pick my battles and I might let it slide, if it was a one-time thing.

Good luck to you. Catholic school certainly isn’t the same as it used to be. Shame. 🤷
 
Here is an interesting article that argues we shouldnt we doing it:
probe.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=fdKEIMNsEoG&b=4244797&ct=5507689

I mostly sought out the article because I had watched some yoga videos on YouTube in an effort to find a solution to weightlifting soreness and stiffness, and some of the videos taught a rather eerie philosophy, namely that yoga would keep you forever young by awakening a serpent (kundalini) at the base of your spine (seems eerily familiar to a certain snake that made a certain promise). I did some research and found out that kundalini is supposed to be an incarnation of Kali, the consort of Shiva, god of destruction. I don’t know why anybody, even a Hindu, would want to play around with “awakening” the god of destruction in their daily lives.

I don’t believe that all other religions are created by demons or anything like that, but sometimes I can’t help but get a really frightening feeling from certain religions and religious practices. The kundalini yoga videos definitely gave me that feeling. There are different types of hatha-yoga, of course, and in the West most hatha-yoga isn’t intended to be religious anyway. But since one of my fitness websites happened to send me a bunch of videos about non-yoga stretching, I don’t feel the need to do yoga right now.

It may sound extreme to say, “I’m not going to engage in these harmless and fun physical exercises because I don’t agree with the underlying theology,” but in my opinion, that actually demonstrates greater respect for yoga than saying, “I don’t really care to learn about its spiritual philosophy, I just want to steal and alter its physical forms so I can get toned abs.”
 
CSUNGerrie:

Thank you for your commentary. I just read the link you provided and agree that while there may be certain elements that “allow” one to practice yoga (ie., Hatha) as a form that is to be separate from the rest, it is evident that hatha yoga is still an aspect to Hinduism. Another interesting point is that it is within man’s nature to further explore something that they enjoy. In which case, is an invitation to “deepen” one’s practice of yoga forms. In doing so, this can lead to stumbling down the road of pantheism, etc.

I have noticed that there are several Catholic parishes around the globe that offer yoga classes to the parishioners, and it makes me wince terribly. I think that it is ripe with potential for unforeseen problems. How is this different than offering an astrology reading for mere amusement? On the whole, perhaps one can marvel with the idea of it or read it in disbelief - but there are some who are seeking or lost, and begin to transit into these pagan ideologies.

This is not similar to becoming puritanical or scrupulous and saying everything is sin, therefore we would be better off living in fear and alone and are not to take pleasure in anything. I think this is where the conversation begins to develop and can at times become a very large mess.

Human beings are called to be in relationships with each other through Christ. “Innocent” classes offering extensions of yoga practice makes very little sense to me.

I have a profound sensitivity to this subject because as alluded in my former post, I became aware of the “door” that can fly right open in yoga practice. I am so thankful to God for bringing me home from that place. As we say in Latin, DEO GRATIAS!
 
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