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Petertherock:
On Eagles Wings is one of my favorite hymns.
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That one falls into the category of songs. Hymns are the beautiful catholic ones.
 
My only problem is that having to start off ANY song on a high note is a trial to me and roughly 75% of the congregation! Have a youth choir, with all the boys’ voices in various stages of change, sing “On Eagle’s Wings” and I guarantee your time in purgatory will be shortened!😉

That said, at least it’s a song based on a Biblical passage (or a Bible passage set to music) which is a vast improvement over the time when it wasn’t unusual to have songs like “If I Had A Hammer” or “Blowing In The Wind” as the entrance and recessional songs:eek: !

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misericordie:
That one falls into the category of songs. Hymns are the beautiful catholic ones.
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Quite authoritarian of you making such a pronoucement. Regardless of how you feel about On Eagle’s Wings it is by accepted standards a hymn.

Saint Augustine commented, "Know ye what a hymn is? It is a song with praise of God. If thou praisest God and singest not, thou utterest no hymn, if thou singest and praisest not God but another thing, thou utterest no hymn. A hymn then containeth these three things, song and praise and that praise of God.
 
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bluerose:
My only problem is that having to start off ANY song on a high note is a trial to me and roughly 75% of the congregation! Have a youth choir, with all the boys’ voices in various stages of change, sing “On Eagle’s Wings” and I guarantee your time in purgatory will be shortened!😉

That said, at least it’s a song based on a Biblical passage (or a Bible passage set to music) which is a vast improvement over the time when it wasn’t unusual to have songs like “If I Had A Hammer” or “Blowing In The Wind” as the entrance and recessional songs:eek: !

BlueRose
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At Masses where they talked about the Sandanistas more than they talked about Jesus!
 
Although I’d like to see us sing the old Catholic hymns on a regular basis, the only reason I don’t like singing Protestant hymns in church is because too many CAtholics cannot even recognize where the lyrics are Protestant rather than Catholic.

Amazing Grace is a beautiful song, BUT the second verse says:

’twas grace that taught my heart to feel
And grace my fears relieved.
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Catholics should, but don’t always know that we are saved at baptism if baptized as a baby. Only adults are baptized after belief.

Other songs that I don’t like because of the sketchy catechesis that too many Catholics have received are those that speak of bread and wine. I know that St. Paul did, but early catechumens received years worth of religious education and cetainly knew that the Bread and Wine so referenced was really, truly the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Not always true today.

Some songs I do not like because they make it sound as if WE CHOOSE GOD. That never happens. God’s grace abounds all around us and our first movement towards God is always first initiated by Him. That is the revelation of the OT. Left to ourselves, men could never choose God. That is why Jesus had to come, accept our form and die to redeem us. He then left us the Church and the Sacraments to enable us to respond to God’s graces.

Technically, then, GOD is the Light of the World. It is only when I respond to His graces and accept His help that I can fight my concupiscence and allow His Light to shine through me, my voice, my hands, my actions. So singing that WE are the light of the world makes me grind my teeth. Only when I am in a state of grace and have aligned my will to His, is it true.

Another song that makes me cringe is one where our teens sing of God accepting us as we are. This is only true to the degree that He wants us to begin our journey there. Then He wants us to repent and allow Him to strengthen us through His Sacraments.

These are some of the reasons I prefer thoroughly Catholic hymns, whether old or new to be used.

In Christ’s peace and joy,

Robin L. in TX
 
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Stu:
Quite authoritarian of you making such a pronoucement. Regardless of how you feel about On Eagle’s Wings it is by accepted standards a hymn.

Saint Augustine commented, "Know ye what a hymn is? It is a song with praise of God. If thou praisest God and singest not, thou utterest no hymn, if thou singest and praisest not God but another thing, thou utterest no hymn. A hymn then containeth these three things, song and praise and that praise of God.
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Exactly which is why saint Augustine sang in LATIN.
 
Robin L. in TX:
Although I’d like to see us sing the old Catholic hymns on a regular basis, the only reason I don’t like singing Protestant hymns in church is because too many CAtholics cannot even recognize where the lyrics are Protestant rather than Catholic.

Amazing Grace is a beautiful song, BUT the second verse says:

’twas grace that taught my heart to feel
And grace my fears relieved.
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Catholics should, but don’t always know that we are saved at baptism if baptized as a baby. Only adults are baptized after belief.
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I don’t think the above necessarily is in conflict with “Amazing Grace.” Conversion is lifelong and many who are baptized as babies undergo conversions latter in life to a deeper, more intimate faith (indeed, I tend to think that conversion is a series of conversions). The Holy Spirit, by His “amazing grace,” calls us constantly to conversion. Also, the teaching of the Catholic Church actually is *Sola Gratia. *It just isn’t *Sola Fide. *Still, the song has been beaten into the ground and all it means now is a kind of “I’m ok, God’s ok” thing.

All that said, I don’t like most of the stuff we sing at Mass these days. I think the tunes are banal and difficult at the same time, beyond the average congregation’s ability to sing. And the lyrics! Please, don’t get me started. That stuff by the monks at Weston Priory, like “Come Back to Me” and “Bread of Understanding.” :rolleyes:
 
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misericordie:
Exactly which is why saint Augustine sang in LATIN.
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So anyone who doesn’t know latin cannot sing a hymn to our Lord? Ridiculous. There is no requirement for a hymn being in Latin other than someones opinion.
 
Bobby Jim:
I often start to cry whenever I hear this song, as it seems that I mostly hear it at funerals these days, and it always brings back sad memories.
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YES!! I don’t care for the song only because it reminds me of funerals I’ve attended. The message it contains is beautiful, though.
 
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misericordie:
That one falls into the category of songs. Hymns are the beautiful catholic ones.
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Hi Mis,
What do you have to say about the hymn “Rock of Ages”😉
 
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JKirkLVNV:
I don’t think the above necessarily is in conflict with “Amazing Grace.” Conversion is lifelong and many who are baptized as babies undergo conversions latter in life to a deeper, more intimate faith (indeed, I tend to think that conversion is a series of conversions). The Holy Spirit, by His “amazing grace,” calls us constantly to conversion. Also, the teaching of the Catholic Church actually is *Sola Gratia. *It just isn’t *Sola Fide. *Still, the song has been beaten into the ground and all it means now is a kind of “I’m ok, God’s ok” thing.

All that said, I don’t like most of the stuff we sing at Mass these days. I think the tunes are banal and difficult at the same time, beyond the average congregation’s ability to sing. And the lyrics! Please, don’t get me started. That stuff by the monks at Weston Priory, like “Come Back to Me” and “Bread of Understanding.” :rolleyes:
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IS THIS NUN DANCNG TO ONE OF THOSE MODERN HYMNS IN THIS MASS?:http://www.csasisters.org/site_uploads/gallery/photo693_1.jpg
 
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