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I do not intend to steal this thread. This message that I post is in support of Roman Catholicism and I think it points out that there is less error in our society if we follow Catholic teaching. These days, the American media are pointing out a “Catholic Church in Crisis” as the US Catholic Bishops are meeting nearby this week Monday through Thursday.

If there ever is a Crisis in the Catholic Church, it will also be a Crisis for Protestant Churches. If it were not for Catholic Churches (Roman, Orthodox, Eastern, etc.), who knows where the Protestant Reformation would be at this point. It would be as if a ship at sea had no anchor – not even a sea anchor – during an immense storm. The presence of Orthodox or Conservative Jewish thinking has also been helpful.

truthbetold: Ask yourself where would these other Churches be?
If it were not for Catholics and Catholic Churches, our society would probably be much further away from the truth at this time. Not only might abortion be common, but euthanasia as well. Perhaps automatic death for anyone beyond a certain age (perhaps 75) or for anyone born with certain deformities or hereditary problems.
mark a:
Great post. The link is a real eye opener and sure helps keep one from developing a “holier than thou” attitude.
At this time, I am convinced that Roman Catholic doctrine is the more protective of the Black Race than various Protestant doctrines. For example, the RC stand against birth control, abortion, frequent marriages.

And early in the 20th century (United States), the ugly but quiet practice of forced sterilizations (retarded or “defective” people) was more frequent in States where a Protestant influence was much greater than Roman Catholic. A similar pattern was also true in Europe. There was and continues to be more safety in the presence of many Roman Catholics.

In America, there are vastly more Protestant Blacks than Roman Catholic. And in many cases, Blacks had taken up the Christian religion of their slave owners. In itself, doesn’t that fact show that there were at best few Roman Catholic slave owners in America (compared to Protestant or Baptist)?

Reading the article “Race, Negro” in the “New Advent” Catholic Encyclopedia got me really upset one night. “Catholic faith and discipline are known to have a wholesome effect on the [Black] race.” Until I realized that the article was written back in 1911.
 
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jmm08:
…My Personal Articles of Faith
Awesome:thumbsup: God Love You!
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lindalou725:
You can read Fr. Damien defending the “one true Church” at www.catholictradition.org/true-church.htm:bowdown2: I couldn’t top his masterly defense.

Done! 🙂

Audrey:
I’ve bookmarked the link and will look into it further. Thank you. I am considering rejoining the Church. I’ve just been hitting speed bumps along the way.

Beng: “That site is cute isn’'t it? Put many historical “facts” and then it looks very academical and credible.”
I am not an academic so I really do not know what is credible in terms of historical fact. It seems, the church does has some ugly spots in it’s history. How do I reconcile with that?

You are all deep and strong in your faith. While I am strong in my faith in Christ, I AM being tossed to and fro with the waves of doctrine. I am struggling with things here that will effect both my temporal and eternal life. I’ve made decisions in the past that were in error and perhaps I am second guessing myself…Thinking I may make another mistake. I know you see being in the RCC a blessing and I probably would too.

I need answers, love, and perhaps someone to befriend me.
Pray for me please.
 
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truthbetold:
Well, I’ve been studying for about three years now. I’ve read Keating, Hahn, Armstrong, the Four Witness’, and others. I listen to Relevant Radio. It makes sense. I think about reverting.

Then… I read something like Dave Hunt and want to run the other way, fast!

I go from hot to cold, want to revert and then being sure I never will. Then, I get the bug again to study and again and lean more toward RCC.

I’m stuck.

I can’t get past, what if Hunt is right?
I’m also stuck on what if he isn’t right?

There are also family factors that effect a decision to revert. My mother would rejoice, but my husband would be very disappointed. I’m not sure he would agree to have our marriage convalidated. What if he refuses?

My eternal life is at stake here. I can’t afford to be wrong.
I love the Lord and want to do what is pleasing to Him.

Help!

TruthBeTold
Hello, TruthBeTold. I’m a cradle Catholic who has studied other religions, even non-Christian ones, yet none of them has made any sense to me as much as my Catholic faith does.

I find Jesus as really and truly present, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Holy Eucharist.

If for no other reason, THAT is the reason to return to the Church.

May I suggest that you disregard what the responses of family members, even your husband’s, would be if you decided to return to the Church.

What are you asking about whether “he refuses?” Refuses what?

You do not need his permission to return to your Catholic faith.

By the way, there’s no such word in the Merriam Webster dictionary as “convalidated,” so I cannot speak to your point about that.

However, I can tell you what the Church teaches, and that is:

We presume that any marriage is valid unless a condition existed at the time of the wedding that would nullify either spouse from being able to make a permanent vow of marriage.

I’m married to a Southern Baptist. Wish he was Catholic, but I leave that up to God. Meantime, I just love him as best I can.

Yes, you do clearly love the Lord.

Yes, you do clearly want to do what is pleasing to Him.

One thing that is pleasing to Him is to honor His mother. Why not you ask Mary to pray for you and help you in this?

Hope this helps!

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lindalou725:
You can read Fr. Damien defending the “one true Church” at www.catholictradition.org/true-church.htm:bowdown2: I couldn’t top his masterly defense.

click and enjoy.

Peace and Joy:love: lindalou
I think this is brilliant, he was surley guided by the Holy Spirit, i’ve posted the link many times, because I’ve never heard a better defense of the faith.:amen:
 
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truthbetold:
More background:
I’m coming from a liturgical Lutheran tradition.

We ( I ) say and believe the Apostles Creed
We ( I ) believe Christ is present in the bread and wine
We ( I ) believe in infant baptism

There are similarities to the RCC in those respects. ( I realize not the completely the same). Still, coming from this Lutheran church, I am less removed from doctrinal things than a fundramental evangelical. Most conversions stories I read are from the evangelical or more Calvinistic bent.

You’ve recommended to not give credence to Dave Hunt. I can understand that. Personally, I do not see good fruit resulting from his works. Just what he writes is shocking.

Here’s another thing that gets to me. Is anyone familiar with “Martyrs Mirror”?
homecomers.org/mirror/index-mirror.htm
Why were these Anabaptist people killed for their faith?
(even if they were wrong).
Yes, I realize Luther was no friend of the Anabaptists either.

I’m not asking you to defend your faith.
Please help me understand.

Humbly.
Truth, God Love ya…
I understand your confusion but hold fast to the persistent leading of the Holy Spirit.

Hunt,Chick, & the rest are mostly just guys making money by bashing our religion. I have read/ heard boatloads of their stuff & it gets old really fast . In checking out things on my way back into the Church I dealt w/ these questions myself & came to the conclusion that some are intentionally lying or misrepresenting what the Catholic Church really teaches & believes. They’ve lost all credibilty w/ me. one of my favorite questions is “why can’t these people get up in their pulpit & preach the Gospel w/o bashing someone else?” We don’t do it in the Catholic Church, and I’ve never seen it in Catholic writings, so I don’t understand or appreciate that style of “evangelism”.

Maybe you should hit the Newman Reader site for a little more help. newmanreader.org/

If ya need to talk e-mail me.

Just keep on seeking the whole truth my friend
 
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jmm08:
…I think it points out that there is less error in our society if we follow Catholic teaching. …

truthbetold: Ask yourself where would these other Churches be?
If it were not for Catholics and Catholic Churches, our society would probably be much further away from the truth at this time. Not only might abortion be common, but euthanasia as well. .

At this time, I am convinced that Roman Catholic doctrine is the more protective of the Black Race than various Protestant doctrines.

And early in the 20th century (United States), the ugly but quiet practice of forced sterilizations (retarded or “defective” people) was more frequent in States where a Protestant influence was much greater than Roman Catholic. A similar pattern was also true in Europe. There was and continues to be more safety in the presence of many Roman Catholics.

In America, there are vastly more Protestant Blacks than Roman Catholic. And in many cases, Blacks had taken up the Christian religion of their slave owners. In itself, doesn’t that fact show that there were at best few Roman Catholic slave owners in America (compared to Protestant or Baptist)?
Great observations. I’m glad someone sees the bigger picture. I usually get bogged down in the quagmire of the week concerning the Church.

Your comments about Blacks seem very astute to me (but I’m not Black).

I was really glad to see Wilton Gregory elected to lead the USCCB. It shows the Church practicing what they preach. He has done a great job in the no win situation of the abuse scandle. We’ll miss his leadership.

Sorry to go off subject on this thread, but just wanted to give you a :tiphat:.
 
Steve-Maguire,

Thanks for the great website of Fr. Damon!! I have also passed it on to family members who have fallen away from the faith, as well as some of my children who stopped going to church

There is nothing better than no-nonsense, get right to the point plain-talk. He sure was gutsey and right on.

Thanks again,
lindalou:clapping:
 
Oh Truthbetold!!!

I just responded to your private message and decided to check out your posts. I just got done reading this thread. We live in the same area…let’s meet for coffee!!!

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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