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The best sources to go to - other than just quoting scripture to him - is other exJWs to find out how they were able to start thinking own their own instead of what the watchtower has taught.

Realistically if he is a faithful JW and has always been that, then it would be HARD to get a conversion especially towards Catholicism since most of their literature is geared toward refuting Catholics. My wife is also a JW although we will probably be getting a divorce - on that note, its not been my decision -I’ve prayed and prayed but ultimately will be glad to get out of that situation (thank goodness we don’t have children).

Really getting a conversion from a faithful JW would take a long process. You may have to not only show them scriptures but also how the Watchtower has contridicted itself over its history. And it would take time and patience to undo all the brainwashing. Plus if his family and friends are in the organization then he would also have to deal with the possibility of losing them due to the Watchtower’s “shunning” techniques.

You find many helpful advice on ex-jehovah witness message boards (many secular but very useful) and also at www.catholicxjw.com for Catholic perspective.

You are in my prayers and I hope that you can accomplish what I could not especially for the sake of your children.
 
glittagurlx99 said:
hello i am roman catholic, my husband however is jehovahs witness…i kno big mistake but i love him… and we now have a daughter together… my problem is an everyday problem, we are always arguing about something…i celebrate holidays and he doesnt …and with xmas coming zround the corner we are already arguing…what can i do, he can show me things in the bible about how xmas is false and celebrating birthdays and other holidays is false. but i can nnot show him anything to prove that is is right and okay, i feel trapped. i am in college and he finan[ly supports me so i need him…but i feel like if i was working already that i wouldnt be in this posistion …i would be able to set up a christmas tree and celebrate my daughters birthday.without having to feel like im doing something wrong or he may divorce me.this is a horrible thing to say but imagine how i feel… like a prisoner in my own home. i cant do what i want to do… if anybody has any ideas or bible scriptures so that i can prove to him that my religion is right. i need helpppp i am constantly upset over this. 😦 😦 😦
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16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, 17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man seduce you, willing in humility, and religion of angels, walking in the things which he hath not seen, in vain puffed up by the sense of his flesh
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Read through Romans Chapter 14. See if there is anything in there that may help. Tim
 
Jews celebrate Hanukkah and we the Christians are celebrating Christmas.

Both holidays came from their respective traditions. The fist time Hanukkah was celebrated by the Jews, was on the 25th of December ( or the 25th day of Kislev). It was on the 25th day of the Hebrew month Kislev (corresponding to our December) that Antiochus chose to desecrate the Temple and establish worship of his god because it was already an existing heathen holiday. Therefore, l and 2 Maccabees go out of their way to stress the fact that it was exactly three years later, to the day, that the Temple was cleansed and rededicated (the 25th of Kislev).

Christians borrowed this Holiday from the Jews because Jesus is the “light” of the world. Hanukkah is also called the** “lights”** festival in realtion of the great miracle of the menorah.

John 10:22-23 records that Jesus was walking on the porch of the temple during the Hanukkah. He had nothing to say against it, and judging by His location, may have been participating, even though it was not commanded in the Bible.

Since Christianity has its roots in Judaism, and not in paganism, let’s look to the Jewish roots for the origin of Christmas.

Hanukkah and the miracle of the Menorah:

“The Menorah is also a symbol closely associated with the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah. After the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, there was only enough oil left to fuel the eternal flame for one day. Miraculously, the oil burned for eight days which was enough time to get new oil as well as finish rebuilding the Temple.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah
 
glittagurlx99:

You have an email from me. Check it out.

Jeff Schwehm
President
The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses
 
glittagirlx99:
You are in my prayers!!
You have gotten a lot of good advice from folks here…God bless & help you in this difficult situation.
 
Hello Glittagurl,

well, your not the only one who has been in this boat. I have been
there myself, and so have thousands of others, so hugs to you, and your not alone.

when i first got involved with a man who became my husband, he was never a witness, but his parents were. and he believed everything the falsetower taught, only he never got baptized.

The first year we spent together at Christmas time, he threw my tree out, he forbade me to wear earrings that were in the shape of a cross, and the list goes on and on and on.

can you get a hold of the most valuable book i have ever seen that is written by Jason Evert, Answering Jehovah’s Witnesses?
It is so explanatory, and so well written and researched, that for people in your situation it almost seems a must have. I believe you can obtain a copy of it right here from CAF.

That book explains everything you need to know about the watchtower organization, it explains to them about Christmas, the Trinity, Micheal the Archangel, exct. Very indispensible book!

Do not let your hubby cow you into believing what he wants you to believe. you do have to love and respect him, but when it comes to matters of faith, we must respect God first and foremost. that is the command we are given, to obey God as ruler rather than man in matters of faith.

Can you compromise with him on Christmas? like perhaps have your tree in a different room? set out your nativity scene if you have one in a different room? you should also see this thread here at CAf, and it is a long post with over 112 replies to it, but please, take the time to read it, here is the thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=113027

please take time to look it over, you’ll find some really good tips in their from Jason Evert’s book that i posted, one of them is how to witness to a witness, and one of them is about the founder of the falsetower, Charles Taze Russell, and one is about the Trinity.

You can also pm me if you need further help as Iam an ex jw myself. You can also get help right here from the CAF library go to non Catholic Groups on the upper left side of the screen, click on it, and on the screen, a bunch of dofferent beliefs will come up, look for the one that starts “Are they awake on the Watchtower” and read all of it, as well, when your done, go back to the same left side of your screen, and take a look at the column, and do not click on non Catholic Groups,and you’ll see this : here is the library link at CAF:

catholic.com/library.asp

God & Christ

Scripture & Tradition

Church & Papacy

Mary & the Saints

Faith & Science

Morality & Ethics

Sacraments

Salvation

Last things

Non-Catholic groups

Anti-Catholicism

Practical Apologetics

Fathers Know Best

Permissions

click on the ones from the top right down to “Last things” and you can print this out for your husband. This should be an enormous help for you. God bless you, and take care. This also might be a prime opportunity for you to witness to your husband. Remember also to be charitable towards him, arguing never gets anywhere.

It ends up with hurt feelings, and only distances you from him.Try to win him over without a word so to speak, show him how you live the Catholic faith by your actions, and by going to mass as often as possible, simply live it. You should discuss it, but be careful how you talk to him when you do talk about it.Always discuss it with charity, as witnesses expect non believers to be openly hostile, and when you are argumentative, it only reinforces his belief, and makes him think the WTB&TS is correct, and the more you argue, the more he’ll dig in his heels and not want to listen to what you have to say.

Yes, it is frustrating, but trust me, i have been there, and dealt with it. i know what your going through, pray, and offer it up to Jesus, and do your research about the falsetower, and the more you arm yourself with knowledge the more you’ll be able to talk to your husband. remember, God wants to save his soul, and he wants his conversion more than you do.

God bless you, and pm me if you have anymore questions.

MP
 
Amen to MyPhilomena’s response!

I am in your boat too…about to put that to shore though…my Baptist husband now considers himself Batholic:D

Learn everything you can…stick around here for excellent advise. I have some scripture that you could show your husband…Look up Romans chapter 14…this happens to be verse five. Here Paul is telling us if WE consider a day special…then God does too…

ROM 14:5-6
5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. **6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. **
 
There are some studies on the mental health of Jws you may want ot look into.

Basically, they are so anti-catholic they call a bulletin board a “kingdom board” because “bulletin board” is a catholic term.

Point out that the purpose of these holidays is to celebrate Christ and what he accomplished in his life ( I cor 15:3-5).

Point out that historical evidence like Piny’s Letters points out that early Christians celbebated christ. Even the foundation of an early church celebrated Jesus.

Look for earily church documents were christ is celebrated.

Basically, there is a large discontinuity between watchtower doctrine, traditons, practices and that of the early church. Your best defense in not scripture, it is history of the church. The church fathers, early councils, creeds and so on. In using the church fathers expect them to quote passages where a father translates proverbs 8:22 as meaning created. That is good because you can enlarge by bringing out elsewhere what that church father really beleives. After all, if they quote a church father as authoritive, and then dismiss him when he contradicts their doctrine then they show that they are only proof texting without reguard for what the church father really believes.

Keep identiflying discontinuities between their doctrine, practices, traditions and so on with the doctrines, pratices and traditions of the early church. The early church is not just represented in the bible.

theworkofgod.org/Library/Apologtc/R_Haddad/Course/Contents.htm
 
your situation sounds challenging but I thought I would offer the following for whatever it’s worth.

Pope John XXIII stated and Pope John Paul II re-emphasised regarding Catholics and non-Catholic Christians

“That which seperates us as believers in Christ is far less than that which unites us.”

Presumably you both agree that it is a good thing to follow the Ten Commandments. That helping those in need is a worthwhile thing to do. That a person should avoid the pursuit of materialism for its own sake.

Perhaps there are many things that you both can agree on with respect to your faith. Spend time recognizing those. I realize that would require the cooperation of your husband. But I think it would be worthwhile to both of you. And unquestionably it would be worthwhile for the sake of your daughter.

Good luck

Jim
 
Glitta Gurl,

Hello and welcome to the Catholic Answers Forums. I hope you have a blessed and fruitful time here.

There are many threads on this forum that deal with the mistakes that Jehovah’s Witnesses have made in their doctrines. If you look around a little, you should find quite a bit. I can tell you off the top of my head that they have changed their Bible to have Jesus say at the Last Supper, “This means My Body” rather than “This is My Body.” Their theology requires it and they have changed the Bible to fit their theology. Another thing that I can tell you is that in Revelation 1 we find John worshipping Jesus, so their premise that Jesus is not God is unbiblical.

A deeper problem, though, appears to be one of respect. If your husband respects you, he should respect your right to practice your faith–including celebrating Christmas, Easter, and birthdays. Similarly, you should respect his right to practice his faith. (I guess this probably means that you go to Christmas parties and leave him at home. You will have to work out the details together.) If you don’t deal with this question of respect soon, it will only get worse later.

I feel like I am stepping out on a limb here, but irrespective of whether he supports you financially and irrespective of whether you love him, he IS your husband and your place is with him. You made some promises when you got married and you are expected to keep them.
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i am trying tohave her babptized but i need his signature…something he wont do
 
i agree , i do need more research… i went to catholic school up till 8th grade…it is something i strongly believe in…but i guess i lost a lot of information that i was taught throughout highschool, and college…this is something i am going to work on
 
well i tried to tell him these scriptures about the whole family beign baptized…but he says that …jesus is the perfect example…and jesus was older when he was baptized …making a conscious decision into his faith…you guys have been great trying to help…me im going to keep up my arguments… i just wish he was more open minded… its like his deciosions are made, he is right and im wrong…
 
well im not willing to except divorce… because we love eacchother. i would rather work thngs out… i dont feel that me putting up a christmas tree is more important than our marriage…
 
Church_Militant said:
My dear friend, you have a serious mess on your hands.

All the attacks that he makes on the holidays and birthdays are based on things pulled out of the context of the Word of God and twisted by the JWs. He’s dead wrong about the holidays and birthdays and even more wrong about the charge of idolatry.
  1. Effective immediately, refuse to hear anything out of that New World Translation Bible of theirs. It is one of the most corrupted versions you can find anywhere.
  2. See the links to refutations of JW teachings HERE. You’ll quickly gain some info that will show just how messed up that cult is.
  3. I’m sorry but you can almost expect to be divorced if you stand up for your faith. That’s just the way they do things. If your family is still friendly with you I suggest that you renew your ties with them ASAP. You may need them.
  4. You need good Catholic teaching and you need it NOW.
    a) The Catholic Home Study Service offers FREE Catholic courses that just can’t be beat. I suggest that you begin with either “We Believe…” or “Christ’s Mother and Ours” as both will equip you to answer the lies he’s being fed about our most holy faith.
b) The Bible Christian Society is a Catholic ministry that offers FREE CDs and MP3 downloads of Catholic Bible studies to help answer all these kinds of things. By all means take advantage of it.
  1. Come in and post here often, with any and all questions that you may have and you can count on me and the rest of the Catholics here (Some of whom are converts from JW) to help in any way that we can. Feel free to PM me if I can help with anything. (Your message will trigger an e-mail that I will get and come check on.)
BTW, here’s the answer to that craziness about crucifxion.
Cross or Torture Stake? You can always print that up fold it til it’s all sharp corners and lovingly “share” it with your poor husband. (Sorry. Irish :irish1: humor sneakin’ through.)
Pax tecum,
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thank you i will def… ask for helpp when i need it… and im sure i willl always need it…
 
VociMike said:
I think you must simply make religious differences off-limits for discussion in your home. If you really love him you will do this, and more importantly, if he really loves you he will do this. Just as you married him knowing that he was JW, so he married you knowing that you were Catholic.
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this is what im trying to do…but it comes up aroud the holidays because…of things i want to do with my daughter…such as trick or treating… and i already bought her a costume and we will be trick or treating… it jsut is really hard to not have his support…like on her first birthday he is not coming to our dinner…
 
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