Her "wife"

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Lets not derail the OP’s thread any longer.
 
Bookcat said:
Nope.

God made marriage.
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Please look at the top right of my posts. I am Buddhist, so I do not follow all the beliefs of your religion.

Civil marriage exists. It is different from Catholic marriage, which is different from (some) protestant marriages which is different from Muslim marriage. You cannot just command that your particular religious version is the real version of marriage. Allah (and many other gods) say differently.

rossum
 
rossum said:
Please look at the top right of my posts. I am Buddhist, so I do not follow all the beliefs of your religion.
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I know that.

Please look at the name of the Website we are on and the Forum.

This is the Catholic Answers site and the Moral Theology Forum…

Not something else.

There can be no valid marriage of two persons of the same gender. It is not possible- be they Buddhists or Bad Baptists. No Civil law can change the *reality *of this.

And please this is all off topic and contrary to the rules of the forum (me too…I too went off topic…)
 
rossum said:
Look through my list. Religion is only part of it. Both legal and religious authorities have their different definitions of marriage. That is what is at the root of the OP’s question: the difference between the legal definition of marriage and the Catholic religious definition of marriage.

rossum
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Bigger sigh… It is not about law or religion.
 
Bookcat said:
There can be no valid marriage of two persons of the same gender.
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There can indeed be no valid Catholic marriage of two persons of the same gender. There might be a valid Protestant marriage of two persons of the same gender, it depends on the specific Protestant denomination. There can be a valid civil marriage of two persons of the same gender.

Going back to the OP, are the two women in question Catholics, Protestants, non-religious or whatever? Not everyone is Catholic, so it is inadmissible to apply Catholic rules in a situation where Catholic rules may not be valid.

rossum
 
rossum said:
There can indeed be no valid Catholic marriage of two persons of the same gender. There might be a valid Protestant marriage of two persons of the same gender, it depends on the specific Protestant denomination. There can be a valid civil marriage of two persons of the same gender.
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Again - no.

A marriage is either a marriage before the maker of marriages (God!) or it is not a marriage. Be the persons Buddhists, Baptists, or Bat worshipers…

Period.

But again this is OFF topic really…so we must cease this avenue…
 
rossum said:
Going back to the OP, are the two women in question Catholics, Protestants, non-religious or whatever? Not everyone is Catholic, so it is inadmissible to apply Catholic rules in a situation where Catholic rules may not be valid.

rossum
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Nope again. But back on topic 🙂

The person is not applying “Catholic Rules” to others. They are not just “Catholic Rules”…

And the question under discussion are (from the Catholic Moral Theology view) the actions of the person *themselves *here -what *they *may do or not do in their speech- so it does not matter in that regard if the other persons are Buddhists or Catholics or Protestants or Hindus or whatever.

It is ABSOLUTELY admissible - for a Catholic to apply their Reason and Faith and Morals to their own actions (to say this or that or not say this or that)~!!!

To act according to their conscience as to what they may say or not say in words to another person. What they may or may not approve etc.

We are talking about that persons own actions (words!)…and it is ABSOLUTELY admissible!!!
 
NM505StKate said:
Still call her wife. It is polite.
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It is not polite to violate ones conscience for another person. To lie to that person. To go against the truth so a persons feelings will not be hurt.

Such is not polite.

And being polite is not the measure of morality.
 
rossum said:
Going back to the OP, are the two women in question Catholics, Protestants, non-religious or whatever? Not everyone is Catholic, so it is inadmissible to apply Catholic rules in a situation where Catholic rules may not be valid.

rossum
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Nope again. But back on topic 🙂

The person is not applying “Catholic Rules” to others. They are not just “Catholic Rules”…

And the question under discussion are (from the Catholic Moral Theology view) the actions of the person *themselves *here -what *they *may do or not do in their speech- so it does not matter in that regard if the other persons are Buddhists or Catholics or Protestants or Hindus or whatever.

It is ABSOLUTELY admissible - for a Catholic to apply their Reason and Faith and Morals to their own actions (to say this or that or not say this or that)~!!!

To act according to their conscience as to what they may say or not say in words to another person. What they may or may not approve etc.

We are talking about that persons own actions (words!)… it is ABSOLUTELY admissible for them to choose their words according to their conscience!!!

To apply their Faith to their own actions.
 
NM505StKate said:
Still call her wife. It is polite.
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It is not polite to violate ones conscience for another person. To lie to that person. To go against the truth so a persons feelings will not be hurt…

Such is not polite.

And being polite is not the measure of morality.

Truth with love.
 
Bookcat said:
It is not polite to violate ones conscience for another person. To lie to that person. To go against the truth so a persons feelings will not be hurt…
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And entirely unnecessary! The lady has a name.
 
Bookcat said:
It is not polite to violate ones conscience for another person. To lie to that person. To go against the truth so a persons feelings will not be hurt…

Such is not polite.

And being polite is not the measure of morality.

Truth with love.
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The truth is that she is married and saying wife is fine.
 
This is going in circles.

–Can I call the woman a wife?
–No. God does not allow that marriage.
–Your interpretation is that it isn’t a marriage, but it is.
–That’s off topic. And no it’s not.
–It’s not off topic, and it is.
–No it’s not. Stay on topic.
–Can I call the woman a wife?
–No. She cannot be a wife because Catholic moral theology says she isn’t.
–Catholic moral theology doesn’t apply to non-Catholics.
–Yes it does. You’re off topic.
 
on_the_hill said:
This is going in circles.

–Can I call the woman a wife?
–No. God does not allow that marriage.
–Your interpretation is that it isn’t a marriage, but it is.
–That’s off topic. And no it’s not.
–It’s not off topic, and it is.
–No it’s not. Stay on topic.
–Can I call the woman a wife?
–No. She cannot be a wife because Catholic moral theology says she isn’t.
–Catholic moral theology doesn’t apply to non-Catholics.
–Yes it does. You’re off topic.
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Thanks for the recap. Now I don’t need to bother reading the whole thread. 👍😃
 
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