Here is why freemasonry is a christian organization.

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Masons are NOT given a copy of a Masonic Bible by their Lodge.
Sorry, my grandfathers Masonic Bible clearly states ''this Bible was presented to…on… and is signed by no less than 20 Masons.

EDIT: Grandad was notoriously tight fisted and decidedly non religious so I very much doubt that he purchased the Bible.

It is signed by Members who indicate their rank/role in the organisation, as well as a separate page for ‘‘visiting friends and brethren’’
 
Freemasonry is probably the most misunderstood organization around. People believe what they read and often go by what they were told. This is unfortunate because nothing could be further from the truth.

Here is an argument people claim against freemasonry: Any religon can join Buddist, Hindu, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim.

While the only requirement to join is a belief in a supreme being anyone who is not a follower of the Bible would feel very awkward in our rituals since the Bible is the backbone of what we teach. New members are given a King James version of the bible and told it is their duty to know it from the inside out. Although in theory a hindu, muslim, or buddist could join this would make them feel very awkward to them because they are inculcated to learn about the christian faith.

Our ritual has wording specifically pointing to the christian faith

“the blazing star in the center is commemoritive of the star of the east which appeared to guide the wise men of the east to the place of our saviors nativity”

Does that sound like Hindu scripture to you?

Where I am at all the masons I know are christians. 99.9% of them I would say in my state are christians. Masonry is a very christian organization in my state. Our pasters would never allow a hindu or buddist to become a mason in our lodge.

Also in the masonic bible new members are given. It has a preface in them telling them why they should join the christian faith and what it is meant to be a christian.

In the York Rite as well as the Scottish Rite masonry becomes extremely christian in many of its teachings. Many degrees are specifically targeted to events occuring in the new testament and toward Jesus Christ.

Although Jews and Muslims can join freemasonry, many of the past masters are very biased toward christians. And it is very hard to advance in rank without being a christian in masonry.

And I would also like to add I would personally black ball any Jew or Muslim who wanted to join our lodge and I know we have past masters who would probably do the same.
I agree with everything you have said and even the truths you have not said.

You see I was once a mason. I really enjoyed the comaraderie that is in my view unique to masons. The brotherly love puts many Christian groups to shame. My resignation broke my heart. I suffered real depression over my resignation. It was not something I wanted to do.

The reason I resigned was because I was told by a Canon Lawyer that the Sacred Congregation had real issues over the symbols used in freemasonry and on that basis no Catholic is allowed to join a lodge or if he does so, is in grave sin!’

There has been Catholic clergy, some quite senior, who have said: ‘it is ok these days, the Church takes a more liberal view’ and ‘it is not expressely mentioned in the 1983 [last] book of canon law so it must have been missed for a reason, ratifying a signal that it is ok for Catholics to become masons’.

The Sacred Congregation was so alarmed at these and similar pronouncements that they have removed from all clergy the right to make pronouncment on the subject and reserved only for their own body, the sole right to make pronouncement. The pronouncement is ‘that it is so grave for a Catholic to become a mason, they must not receive Holy Communion!’

Against my express wishes, desires, recognition of a great fraturnity of brotherly love, out of loyal duty as a Catholic, accepting the absolute authority of Mother Church, I had no choice but to resign and seek reconciliation.

My dear friend, I urge you to do the same.

Blessings
 
Excellent post. Can you tell me why this lodge used this tactic? After all, property rights exist for all landowners anyway.
Not a lawyer, and I am engaging in speculation. But the right of a governmental body to exercise ‘eminent domain’ and the right to ‘blight’ non-religious property may be stronger than if the property is deemed ‘religious’. There may be tax issues as well. In any case, the court decision itself acknowledges that Freemasonry does not think of itself as ‘a religion’: the court’s decree merely notes that Freemasonry has sufficient resemblance to religion on a sufficient number of points to qualify for relief as a religious organization.
 
Do masons believe that all religions are equally legitimate?

If so, they must believe that all truths are relative and God can be equally pleased with truth and error. That is not a Christian belief.

Christians believe that God has definitively revealed Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, and desires that all men come to the knowledge of this truth.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (Jn 14:6 KJV)

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
Do masons believe that all religions are equally legitimate?
No. They believe that in order for men of varying religious beliefs to work together for common goals in a fraternal manner, all of them must put aside their religious differences while performing fraternal work.

Nothing offensive about this, and the same is true of secular work. But the Ritual of the Lodge requires certain activities which have definite impact on some people’s religious beliefs, and in some cases the Ritual constrains what some people consider legitimate religious practices of their faith. One cannot open or close a prayer in a Masonic Lodge, for example, in the name of any specific deity. This is difficult for some Christians to countenance because they feel constrained to pray ‘in the name of Christ’ or ‘In the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost’. One cannot discuss religion or politics in Lodge or during Lodge-sponsored events, which some Christians feel restricts them in their due obligation to proclaim the name of Christ to others. Etcetera.
LDNCCatholic:
Sorry, my grandfathers Masonic Bible clearly states ''this Bible was presented to…on… and is signed by no less than 20 Masons.
Odd. I have never heard of a Lodge giving the gift of a Masonic Bible to it’s members. Neither my grandfather’s nor my great-uncle’s Masonic Bibles were gifted to to them by their Lodge. I was not so gifted. Usually a Masonic Bible is bought by the Brother himself or is a gift from a close family member who knows he is subscribing to membership in the Lodge. It is not impossible of course that your grandfather’s Lodge was affluent enough to make such gifts normative, but it is not common in my experience.

By the way: my Masonic Bible has no references to ‘popish people’, nor any other indication of anti-Catholic bigotry. I have no direct access to my family-members Masonic Bibles but when I last viewed them they did not look to have any material in them that mine lacked.
 
Thanks for responding. As I am not a mason, the only knowledge I have of them is what I have heard.
No. They believe that in order for men of varying religious beliefs to work together for common goals in a fraternal manner, all of them must put aside their religious differences while performing fraternal work.
Maybe I’m reading to much into this but, why can’t men work toward common goals without putting aside their religious differences?
Nothing offensive about this, and the same is true of secular work. But the Ritual of the Lodge requires certain activities which have definite impact on some people’s religious beliefs, and in some cases the Ritual constrains what some people consider legitimate religious practices of their faith. One cannot open or close a prayer in a Masonic Lodge, for example, in the name of any specific deity. This is difficult for some Christians to countenance because they feel constrained to pray ‘in the name of Christ’ or ‘In the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost’.
I can understand why a Christian would feel constrained. We do believe in a specific God after all.

So is this an attemp to blend different religious beliefs into a unified whole?

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
High-ranking Mason George H. Steinmetz writes in his book Freemasonry: Its Hidden Meaning, “The order has at all times been careful to explain that Masonry is not a religion. It has denied the fact over and over again, and insisted that it was a lodge or brotherhood, and in no way did, nor was it intended to, take the place of the church in a man’s life. It is claimed that Masonry is universal, its tenets such that they can be subscribed to by Christian, Jew, Mohammedan and Buddhist alike, and all may meet in brotherhood at its altars. Has Masonry been too careful in its explanation? Too vehement in its denials? Has it so loudly proclaimed it is not a religion that its followers have been misled into thinking it is not religious? Has it been fearful of inadvertently stepping on the figurative toes of some creed, mistaking a creed for religion?”
 
He continues, "What is religion? The dictionary defines it as: The recognition of man’s relation to a divine superhuman power to whom obedience and reverence are due; the outward acts and practices of life by which men indicate their recognition of such relationship; conformity to the teaching of the Bible, effort of man to attain goodness of God.” … In Morals and Dogma Pike offers the following definition: “FREEMASONRY is the subjugation of the human that is in man by the Divine; the Conquest of the Appetites and Passions by the Moral Sense and the Reason; a continual effort, struggle, and warfare of the Spiritual against the Material and Sensual. That victory, when it has been achieved and secured, and the conqueror may rest upon his shield and wear the well-earned laurels, is the true holy empire.”
 
By the way: my Masonic Bible has no references to ‘popish people’, nor any other indication of anti-Catholic bigotry. I have no direct access to my family-members Masonic Bibles but when I last viewed them they did not look to have any material in them that mine lacked.
I have a couple of things to do today but when I find the time I’ll scan some of the pages and upload them here. To be completely fair I think the word ‘‘Popish’’ appears in the King James description page. The Masonic history used the word Romish once or twice.
 
So is this an attemp to blend different religious beliefs into a unified whole?
So far as I am aware, freemasonry has nothing to do with religion. with the exception that ‘thanks’ and ‘praise’ is given to God before and at the end of meals and meetings and all are expected to participate regardless of religion of origin.

Athiests and non-believers in a One true God are not elegible for membership. Members are not required to unify their religion, on the contrary are actively encouraged to practice their own traditions. Christians likewise are encouraged to attend their own respective Churches. I would argue they are wrong in this respect in so far as 'there is only ONE Church!

But I do admire a group who encourage this. Isn’t this what we ALL do? I do not seek to convert anyone but rather to encourage them to follow their own tradition while leaving themselves open to the guidance and prompting of the Holy Spirit.

Blessings
 
A quick correction. The word ‘‘Romish’’ does not appear in the History of the Masons in the Masonic Bible. It is ‘‘Romanism’’ Which appears in a paragraph detailing the Anglican breakaway. In this paragraph it also describes how Catholics allegedly worship saints. Should I upload the scanned pages here or on a separate thread so as not to derail the current debate?
 
A quick correction. The word ‘‘Romish’’ does not appear in the History of the Masons in the Masonic Bible. It is ‘‘Romanism’’ Which appears in a paragraph detailing the Anglican breakaway. In this paragraph it also describes how Catholics allegedly worship saints. Should I upload the scanned pages here or on a separate thread so as not to derail the current debate?
I am glad you pointed that out. I am actually offended by the title ‘romish’ or Romish’ as its modern day connotations are divisive rather than unifying. If we used similar words on this site, we would soon be jumped on by the mods.

I shall write a letter of protest to the Grand Lodge if I can find an address. 🙂

Thanks for pointing this out. I shall also point it out to the lost brethren known to me - Catholics who are still masons.

Blessings.
 
Thanks for responding. As I am not a mason, the only knowledge I have of them is what I have heard.

Maybe I’m reading to much into this but, why can’t men work toward common goals without putting aside their religious differences?
For the same reason that you put aside your religious differences in most secular jobs. For the same reason that in a political legislature you would only be allowed to lead the opening prayer if you could agree to address your prayer to God without making any sectarian references to Him.
I can understand why a Christian would feel constrained. We do believe in a specific God after all.
And if you feel strongly about this, you would not be able to officiate prayer in most public forums. There is an amusing tale, possibly apocryphal, of a Protestant Evangelical who was so asked and who deliberately flouted the rules in a somewhat incendiary way. In point of fact, in most cases one nowadays is asked to to submit one’s prayer in writing prior to the event, and if it is deemed offensive one is asked to edit it or a substitute is asked to offer prayer.
So is this an attempt to blend different religious beliefs into a unified whole?
No. It is merely an attempt to be inoffensive. However, many Freemasons are inclined towards syncretism. Albert Pike is notable among these. Syncretistic tendencies in the Ritual, although not explicit, are one of the objections Christians often have towards Freemasonry.
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LDNCatholic:
A quick correction. The word ‘‘Romish’’ does not appear in the History of the Masons in the Masonic Bible. It is ‘‘Romanism’’ Which appears in a paragraph detailing the Anglican breakaway. In this paragraph it also describes how Catholics allegedly worship saints. Should I upload the scanned pages here or on a separate thread so as not to derail the current debate?
You may if others find it useful I don’t think such a reference occurs in my own Masonic Bible, but the Masonic material differs from publisher to publisher so this may account for this.

I suspect the reference as you describe it to be insensitive and certain politically incorrect by modern standards but probably not intentionally anti-Catholic. My grandparents referred to African-Americans throughout their lives as ‘colored people’. This was a polite expression in the 1920s or 1940’s but by the 1950’s and 1960’s was seen as objectionable by most Black Americans. My grandparents never changed their way of speaking of blacks, nonetheless.

My stepfather–whom I admired for other reasons–was nonetheless strongly racist and never referred to blacks in any way other than with the strongest of objectionable terms. And he referred to them as such often and angrily, at any juncture where he felt comfortable discussing political affairs. Except in the presence of my grandparents. On the only occasion that I recollect he ever used the n-word in their presence he received such a railing rebuke that he never again mentioned the subject of race in their hearing. My point is that my grandparents were insensitive in using the expression ‘colored folk’ to refer to African Americans, but they certainly did not intend to be racist or bigoted by doing so. Likewise, from what I can deduce from your post, the reference to ‘Romanism’ was insensitive but probably not deliberately bigoted.
 
It is interesting how much Albert Pikes name keeps coming up.

I am not sure now, but am I correct in thinking that he was widely regarded as some kind of nutter or have I got that wrong?

Can somone please refresh my memory. His name rings bells from somewhere. At least I have heard a lot of folk describe him as a nutter but I have no proof of this myself. He may be a very sane intelligent man. Enlightenment please someone!

On the basis of what we discussed earlier, I have found an address of Grand Lodge and dispatched an email in lieu of a letter pointing out that Catholics find their bigotted references offensive. They have emailed me back asking for specific references. I do not have any. They did not appear much impressed when I cited this site as one reference.

Could you please give me the exact references where we are being prejudiced against by freemasonry in their bible?

HELP PLEASE!

Blessings
 
Lilyflower:

Pike was a scholar of sorts, and not a ‘nutter’ as you put it. He was well regarded in his day. He was a leading figure in the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite and his book ’Morals and Dogma’ was given to Scottish Rite initiates for years. He is however very hard to read.

He has gotten a very bad reputation through no fault of his own because a man named Leo Taxil foisted any number of forgeries in Pike’s name suggesting that Pike advocated Luciferianism. Pike had already passed on when Taxil began his hoax, so Pike himself could not contradict Taxil. The fact that Pike is so very boring to read in general makes it unlikely that most folks are familiar with what he actually said. The quotes attributed to him can be readily verified as false if one obtains a copy of Morals and Dogma; a friend of mine did so and attempted to find even one of the dozens of ‘shocking’ things widely circulated about him. Can’t be done, because Pike never said most of those things.

For more info:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike

masonicinfo.com/pike.htm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

masonicinfo.com/taxil.htm

Hope this helps!
 
For the same reason that you put aside your religious differences in most secular jobs. For the same reason that in a political legislature you would only be allowed to lead the opening prayer if you could agree to address your prayer to God without making any sectarian references to Him.
Thanks for the clarification.
And if you feel strongly about this, you would not be able to officiate prayer in most public forums. There is an amusing tale, possibly apocryphal, of a Protestant Evangelical who was so asked and who deliberately flouted the rules in a somewhat incendiary way. In point of fact, in most cases one nowadays is asked to to submit one’s prayer in writing prior to the event, and if it is deemed offensive one is asked to edit it or a substitute is asked to offer prayer.
Sound like political correctness, but that is a separate discussion.
No. It is merely an attempt to be inoffensive. However, many Freemasons are inclined towards syncretism. Albert Pike is notable among these. Syncretistic tendencies in the Ritual, although not explicit, are one of the objections Christians often have towards Freemasonry.
Just so I understand correctly, syncretism (the fusion of various religious forms and views) isn’t an official “doctrine” of the masons, but many members believe in and practice it.

Is that accurate?

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
. . . . Just so I understand correctly, syncretism (the fusion of various religious forms and views) isn’t an official “doctrine” of the masons, but many members believe in and practice it.

Is that accurate?

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
‘Many’ might be an overstatement, but some do. Masons are free to interpret the Ritual of Freemasonry as they wish. Most Freemasons would consider themselves Christians. Most are probably active, church-going Christians–unless they are Jews or Muslims or Hindus, in which case many would be temple-attending or mosque-attending Masons. Most probably would not think of themselves as advocating or assenting to syncretism. Many would probably deny that they believe in syncretism altogether.

But the Ritual, and the very nature of the Fraternity, tends to push one in that direction to a greater or lesser degree. And a lot of leading thinkers within Masonry have been syncretistic in their thinking.
 
The many replies here suggests that freemsonry is at risk of ‘leading Catholics astray to false religion’. The evidence that I have seen however is quite the opposite.

I have never heard of a Catholic who stops practicing because he is a free and accepted mason. But I HAVE heard of lapsed Catholics ‘coming home’ because they have enrolled as masons.
👍

In other words: men who did not walk with the Lord, take up their faith again, go to confession and re-dedicate their lives to Christ and His Church only because they felt encouraged by masonry to do so! 🙂

Suddenly I have become invisible. 😛

None of the hardliners will see this reply because it is not what they want to read. No, they do not want to read that. They want to read of ‘blood oaths and satanic ritual!’ 😃
 
The many replies here suggests that freemsonry is at risk of ‘leading Catholics astray to false religion’. The evidence that I have seen however is quite the opposite.

I have never heard of a Catholic who stops practicing because he is a free and accepted mason. But I HAVE heard of lapsed Catholics ‘coming home’ because they have enrolled as masons.
👍

In other words: men who did not walk with the Lord, take up their faith again, go to confession and re-dedicate their lives to Christ and His Church only because they felt encouraged by masonry to do so! 🙂

Suddenly I have become invisible. 😛

None of the hardliners will see this reply because it is not what they want to read. No, they do not want to read that. They want to read of ‘blood oaths and satanic ritual!’ 😃
Really, I can’t see how they have ‘seen the light through masonry’ and ‘come home to the Church’ since membership in the masons is enough to deprive any Catholic of receiving the Eucharist. Are you saying they quit the masons? When I say that faithful Catholics can NOT be masons, I’m quoting Church Teaching. I’m not inventing Church Teaching.
 
‘Many’ might be an overstatement, but some do. Masons are free to interpret the Ritual of Freemasonry as they wish. Most Freemasons would consider themselves Christians. Most are probably active, church-going Christians–unless they are Jews or Muslims or Hindus, in which case many would be temple-attending or mosque-attending Masons. Most probably would not think of themselves as advocating or assenting to syncretism. Many would probably deny that they believe in syncretism altogether.

But the Ritual, and the very nature of the Fraternity, tends to push one in that direction to a greater or lesser degree. And a lot of leading thinkers within Masonry have been syncretistic in their thinking.
Thanks for answering my questions flameburns623.

Peace,

Ryan:)
 
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