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[rdscheirer]

I enjoy reading the various and sundry posts and opinions on this website but as a Catholic I get tired of all the Pharisical nitpicking about one verse means. The entire Bible comes down to this in my mind and soul “Love God with all your might, heart and soul and love your neighbor as yourself”.

 

[FickleFreckled]

I agree with you totally about the nitpicking so I’ll just speak for myself. For me, the Bible comes down to John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him might not perish but might have everlasting life.”

 

[Discerning2]

I enjoy reading the various and sundry posts and opinions on this website but as a Catholic I get tired of all the Pharisical nitpicking about one verse means. The entire Bible comes down to this in my mind and soul “Love God with all your might, heart and soul and love your neighbor as yourself”.

Agreed. It seems to me that many folks are so neurotic about doctrine but when you ask them the last time they visited someone in jail, fed the hungry, took care of the sick or volunteered at a hospice it’s all deer in the headlights. Unfortunately, many folks on this forum are interested in hating homosexuals and cutting taxes instead of the wonderful, renegade mystical Christ.

 

[thistle]

I enjoy reading the various and sundry posts and opinions on this website but as a Catholic I get tired of all the Pharisical nitpicking about one verse means. The entire Bible comes down to this in my mind and soul “Love God with all your might, heart and soul and love your neighbor as yourself”.

Sorry but what does your post have to do with the thread title “Heresy”??

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

Agreed. It seems to me that many folks are so neurotic about doctrine but when you ask them the last time they visited someone in jail, fed the hungry, took care of the sick or volunteered at a hospice it’s all deer in the headlights. Unfortunately, many folks on this forum are interested in hating homosexuals and cutting taxes instead of the wonderful, renegade mystical Christ.

You speak of a “renegade” Christ… perhaps you wish to make God into your image?

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

I enjoy reading the various and sundry posts and opinions on this website but as a Catholic I get tired of all the Pharisical nitpicking about one verse means. The entire Bible comes down to this in my mind and soul “Love God with all your might, heart and soul and love your neighbor as yourself”.

That is indeed the greatest commandment and we should all aspire to living it out perfectly at every moment.But do I understand your issue correctly about interpretation of Sacred Scripture being heresy in some cases? Who do you sight in this error, so that we might have this discussion?

 

[bpbasilphx]

\The entire Bible comes down to this in my mind and soul “Love God with all your might, heart and soul and love your neighbor as yourself”.\

By the same token, “Twinkle, twinkle, little star” is all there is to astronomy, too.

 

[Discerning2]

You speak of a “renegade” Christ… perhaps you wish to make God into your image?

No, during the time of Christ the popular culture was Roman. They were rich, arrogant and full of sin. The Jewish Roman subjects were slaves. Being a slave or poor meant that you had no connection with anything to the hereafter. What Christ brought to us was the concept that ALL of us can have a spiritual importance regardless of who we were. Then, being mentally ill was a curse, in the Roman thinking. Being poor was a curse. To say otherwise was politically dangerous. Our Christ was a renegade.

 

[dz102789]

I certainly think that we need to be reasonable here. Doctrine is Truth and we cannot ignore truth or push it aside, rather, we should make it known and proclaim it whenever possible. Thats not to say that we all can’t genuinely be mistaken at times, in which case we should be open to correction, but that correction should be done in a spirit of love and humility. I find that many people use their “knowledge” of Dogma as a way of lording over others and this can become a case of spiritual/intellectual pride. God is our loving Father and is not keeping a checklist for when we accidentally or unknowingly make a mistake in our understanding of Dogma.

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

No, during the time of Christ the popular culture was Roman. They were rich, arrogant and full of sin. The Jewish Roman subjects were slaves. Being a slave or poor meant that you had no connection with anything to the hereafter. What Christ brought to us was the concept that ALL of us can have a spiritual importance regardless of who we were. Then, being mentally ill was a curse, in the Roman thinking. Being poor was a curse. To say otherwise was politically dangerous. Our Christ was a renegade.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but I feel you chose an inappropriate term to convey it.The word** renegade** means a deserter from a religious faith; or to deny one’s faith.
You must have meant that Jesus Christ was a ** “revolutionist”**: bringing or causing great fundamental change. (for the good of all, in His case)

 

[Discerning2]

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but I feel you chose an inappropriate term to convey it.The word** renegade** means a deserter from a religious faith; or to deny one’s faith.
You must have meant that Jesus Christ was a ** “revolutionist”**: bringing or causing great fundamental change. (for the good of all, in His case)

Okay, I buy it. Revolutionist. It works. But know that Christ is and was a deserter in a very profound way.

Another poster suggested that doctrine should not be put aside. I agree, but I think many of us spend too much time worrying about it instead of going out and doing good works. I can google the canon as well as anybody to parry any argument but it doesn’t speak to the wonderful mystery of Christ and how it should inform our daily living. Doctrine is a skeleton and our works are the muscle that actuate doctrine. Doctrine provides a shape or form, but it can’t tell us our own experience of Christ’s mystery.

 

[rdscheirer]

I used heresey 'cause I figured it would draw more people.

 

[juliamajor]

No, during the time of Christ the popular culture was Roman(Actually Hellenism was the predominate culture in the Meditteranean. They were rich, arrogant and full of sin. (some yea Jewish Roman subjects were occasionaly made slaves(afterthe fall of jerusalem in 70ad that you get many more Jewish slaves.) Being a slave or poor meant that you had no connection with anything to the hereafter( that was more of an Egyptian concept than roman). What Christ brought to us was the concept that ALL of us can have a spiritual importance regardless of who we were.(Judaism and Christianity both hold a concept of equality before God.You’ve touched on something important to the growth of Christianity- at the time of Christ there were many people in the Empire who were seeking a deeper religious experience- an intimate reltionship between their god and them - the .Eleusian an Dionysian being the biggest. Christianity has that sort of intimacy that pagan religions didn’t have those “mysteries” probably set the stage for people seeking Christianity.)Then, being mentally ill was a curse, in the Roman thinking. Being poor was a curse(these are curses not only in Rome but the here and now!). To say otherwise was politically dangerous.(Christianity was considered dangerous and renagade by the Romans. Jesus - as a whole had less to do with the Romans persecuting him then His own people and the status quo they believed in )Our Christ was a renegade( in many ways he was- He certainly challenged a lot of concepts-His dealings with with women would have been considered over the top by many).]

 

[Mailman]

I enjoy reading the various and sundry posts and opinions on this website but as a Catholic I get tired of all the Pharisical nitpicking about one verse means. The entire Bible comes down to this in my mind and soul “Love God with all your might, heart and soul and love your neighbor as yourself”.

Loving God with all your might, heart and soul is DOING what God says: “Man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” And what God says – His [every] Word – is the many verses that make up the Bible. In order to live by those words and so DO what He says, we first need to understand what those words mean. Examining the biblical verses to understand what they really say is therefore every Christian’s duty. “Study earnestly to present yourself approved unto God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth” (2 Tim. 2:7, 15).

Jesus said: “If you love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). What are these “commandments”? Some say these are the Ten Commandments as originally given to Moses at Sinai for the people of Israel. Others say the Ten Commandments but with some changes resulting from Christ’s appearance and the establishment of the NT church. Still others claim the commandments are not important because we are saved by faith alone. Who is right?

In order to keep the commandments Jesus was referring to, we would first need to know what those commandments are. But without going through the Bible [God’s Word] and examining the relevant verses (nitpicking?), we would never know whether what we are keeping are the commandments Jesus wants us to keep or something else entirely. If we are not careful, we could end up doing things Jesus hates and so be rejected by Him. As He said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 7:21).