Heresy from the Pulpit

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In the last year or so, I’ve had the unfortunate “pleasure” of witnessing priests preach heresy (or near heresy) during the homily. Three instances come to mind:

  1. *]Mary had children other than Jesus
    *]The miracle of the loaves and fishes was a “community sharing” event
    *]The Israelites’ manna from heaven was not a miracle, just a naturally-occurring phenomena

    Now these homilies were at two different parishes (and three different priests), but still. It makes me wonder what Protestant church I wandered into by mistake. :rolleyes:

    My question:
    What is the proper response if one hears such nonsense during the homily?

    Part of me wants to “shake the dust from my sandals” while another part wants to “instruct the ignorant.” But the overwhelming desire to maintain the dignity of the Mass keeps me from jumping up right then and there and shouting “What in God’s name are you doing?”

    Still, there remains the large problem of 100’s of parishoners being led astray. What say you all?
 
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Veritas:
My question:
What is the proper response if one hears such nonsense during the homily?

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I think I’d contact the bishop immediately.
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If you can, approach the priest and ask him to explain what he meant by his remarks. Question his sources. Perhaps he was trying to raise discussion in an otherwise sleeping congregation. If he persists in his beliefs, report him immediately to the Vicar, bishop of his diocese. Defending the faith is not just a priest’s job, it is all the baptized.

Before you approach him, pray to the Holy Spirit for the wisdom to know what to say. Pray, Pray at all Times! Peace be with you.
 
I would request a meeting with the Priests, to just make sure nothing was mis understood. If indeed those are their positions, then yea, I would want to go beyond that - to the bishop. I can’t comprehend a Priest saying Mary had other children !!!
 
I had a similar experience at my last parish.
It came to a head for me when I heard the Deacon preach a homily advocating women in the priesthood and NO it wasn’t a suggestion and YES I heard the guy correctly.
I walked after that to a much more conservative parish.
I asked a few of my former congregants afterwards if there were any changes to that parish and there have been. It’s even worse.
 
**What is the proper response if one hears such nonsense during the homily?
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**Part of me wants to “shake the dust from my sandals” while another part wants to “instruct the ignorant.”
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Probably the best solution would be to discuss it with your parish priest, if you have such a problem.

Leaving the parish probably wouldn’t be good for those there who might not have recognized the error who wouldn’t be leaving with you.

Snitching to the bishop should never be the first step, as the first likely solution if the bishop is impressed would be to remove the priest to another parish. In addition, snitches aren’t really that appreciated in any society, so it should be a last resort.
 
Veritas said:
1. Mary had children other than Jesus
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This was by a guest priest. I’m not sure why he was there. I think he was just filling in, in a pinch. Haven’t seen him since. He was the ony priest there, so it could easily become a “he said, she said” affair.

Veritas said:
2. The miracle of the loaves and fishes was a “community sharing” event
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This was by a visiting missionary priest. He was looking for donations, so I gather that was the motivation behind his “sharing” theme (which had many “sharing” examples, none of which were biblically based). The (near-retirement age) parish pastor was presiding, but I suppose he thought it best not to insult his guest homilist.

Veritas said:
3. The Israelites’ manna from heaven was not a miracle, just a naturally-occurring phenomena
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This was said by the pastor (not the same parish as #2, but he is also very near retirement). It was a minor point in his sermon. I suspect that he read some biblical research magazine that offered this as an explanation for what happened in the desert. He’s a dear old priest. I was just surprised it came out of his mouth. I would never have taken him for an anti-miraculist.
 
The pastor of my previous parish also mentioned during the homily that the miracle of the loaves and fishes was a “community sharing” event.

I quickly changed parishes!
 
Even if the manna was a ‘naturally occurring phenomenon,’ it occurred exactly when it was needed and for exactly as long as it was needed. That’s close enough to ‘miraculous’ for my dictionary.
 
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The miracle of the loaves and fishes was a “community sharing” event
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This one really irks me.

What this priest is saying is that it is somehow a miracle for a bunch of Jews to share something.

Do they really understand the racist undertones of this ‘theology’
 
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Brendan:
This one really irks me.

What this priest is saying is that it is somehow a miracle for a bunch of Jews to share something.

Do they really understand the racist undertones of this ‘theology’
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You know, I’ve heard this little “gem” before, ie, the crowd was shamed by the little boy’s generosity to Our Lord into sharing what they brought, and I’ve always found it irritating, but never thought about the racist underpinnings that might be there. Excellent thought!
 
Sir Knight:
The pastor of my previous parish also mentioned during the homily that the miracle of the loaves and fishes was a “community sharing” event.

I quickly changed parishes!
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Our Deacon recently preached it and our religion teacher too. Now the Deacon said it was ridiculous to think all these people left home without food. He said something like if we go on a picnic we would prepere. Here is the verse. How do they get this “community” sharing idea from this verse?

34 And Jesus going out saw a great multitude: and he had compassion on them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd, and he began to teach them many things. 35 And when the day was now far spent, his disciples came to him, saying: This is a desert place, and the hour is now past: 36 Send them away, that going into the next villages and towns, they may buy themselves meat to eat. 37 And he answering said to them: Give you them to eat. And they said to him: Let us go and buy bread for two hundred pence, and we will give them to eat. 38 And he saith to them: How many loaves have you? go and see. And when they knew, they say: Five, and two fishes. 39 And he commanded them that they should make them all sit down by companies upon the green grass. 40 And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds and by fifties.

41 And when he had taken the five loaves, and the two fishes: looking up to heaven, he blessed, and broke the loaves, and gave to his disciples to set before them: and the two fishes he divided among them all. 42 And they all did eat, and had their fill. 43 And they took up the leavings, twelve full baskets of fragments, and of the fishes.
 
When you have a concern about a deacon, you have more than just the pastor to complain to, which you should start there. But deacons have a hierarchy as well. The deacons are obedient to the diocese and the diocese has a vicar and a deacon council over them. Find out how to contact these people and do it! He will have to come before them and answer the allegations. Pray, Pray and Pray some more
 
This happened to me and much more … I sadly had to leave the community I love for a more traditional parish. And I haven’t looked back!
 
I was at my cousin’s wedding when the Monsenior said that the story of Adam and Eve was just a myth.

I just about jumped in my skin and stared at my husband in the most wickedest manner!! I couldn’t believe my ears.

I would personally shake the dust of my shoes and seek a tridentine mass.
 
Same thing happened in the Presbyterian Church which caused its split in 1929. I didn’t think the same would be permitted in Catholicism, which is why I am moving in that direction. Hope that it is an anomoly rather than the norm.
 
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Veritas:
In the last year or so, I’ve had the unfortunate “pleasure” of witnessing priests preach heresy (or near heresy) during the homily. Three instances come to mind:


  1. *]Mary had children other than Jesus
    *]The miracle of the loaves and fishes was a “community sharing” event
    *]The Israelites’ manna from heaven was not a miracle, just a naturally-occurring phenomena

    Now these homilies were at two different parishes (and three different priests), but still. It makes me wonder what Protestant church I wandered into by mistake. :rolleyes:

    My question:
    What is the proper response if one hears such nonsense during the homily?

    Part of me wants to “shake the dust from my sandals” while another part wants to “instruct the ignorant.” But the overwhelming desire to maintain the dignity of the Mass keeps me from jumping up right then and there and shouting “What in God’s name are you doing?”

    Still, there remains the large problem of 100’s of parishoners being led astray. What say you all?
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  1. You have three options.
    1. Call him Mrs. Reverend
    2. Debate him hours on end and get nothing accomplished
    3. Get the heck out of this parish and find an orthodox priest they exist.
 
If the Virgin Mary did not have any other children then Jesus then why does it state in the Gospels that Jesus was the first born son of the Virgin Mary?

John
 
Suggestions:

When encountering a priest who does not go along with Church teaching. Approach him after Mass and ask for an appointment.
Before the appointment, get your notes and reflections in hand (suggest to take a small note pad with you during the Homily to take notes on questionable comments. I am srue the priest would be surprised that ANYONE would actually be taking notes --wither for good or bad reasons).

Have your interveiw. Have your homework done. Bring sources with you to SHARE with your Priest. He may see the error in his explaniation of the Church’s teaching OR he will deny what the Chruch teaches.

(You will see the fruit of your labor in the upcoming weeks. IF NOT:)
Then go to the Bishop and explain the same thing as you did with the priest, and add the priest’s comments.

From that point on, simply pray for the Holy Spirit to guide You in to All Truth.
If your diocese is mainly conserative, you should have no problem finding an othrodox parish.

If your parish is NOT orothodx, try a Eastern Catholic Parish. (I am not suggesting this because I am Byzantine Catholic, BUT because the sacraments are just as valid in the Eastern Catholic Churches.

We’ve had some people join out parish for just this reason. If you lived newar me, I’d suggest my church.

Lord, Have Mercy on US All!
Edwin
 
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