Heresy in Evangelii Gaudium?

[KrazyKat]

Read closer. This decree is referring to the Old covenant sacrifices and ordinances that signified Christ, not the covenant promise itself, which is what the pope is talking about. Those signs have been abrogated, yes. They were mere shadows and cannot effect any forgiveness of sin.

But the Covenant that God made to Abraham and the Jewish people has never been revoked, it can’t be. That would make God contradict himself, for He swore by himself.

For when God made a promise to Abraham, since he had no one greater by whom to swear, he swore by himself, saying, “Surely I will bless and multiply you.” And thus Abraham, having patiently endured, obtained the promise. Men indeed swear by a greater than themselves, and in all their disputes an oath is final for confirmation. So when Hod desired to show more convincingly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he interposed with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible that God should prove false we who who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to seize the hope set before us. (Heb 6:13-18)

The covenant has been fulfilled and expanded and perfected with the advent of Christ, but it has never ceased, and notice, Florence nowhere said it has, it only talks about the end of the Mosaic rituals.

What Pope Francis said is very biblical, and doesn’t contradict Florence. Francis wasn’t talking about the temple sacrifices, which is what Florence is talking about.

The Holy Father is only following St. Paul’s lead:

I ask then, has God rejected his people? By no means!.. As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; But as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the call of God are IRREVOCABLE.(Rom 11:1,28-29)

This is clarification! Thank you.

 

[Qoeleth]

You would suggest that we should have a deeper, more meaningful relationship with Islam than with Judaism?

The Muslims never received revelation from God. They never received a covenant. They have been the origin of much terrorism in the world, as well.

For what reason should we consider them brothers? No, I’m not saying we should hate them, but for what reason should we condone their actions?

Muslims venerate Jesus and the Virgin Mary. They believe in the Day or Resurrection, and the Day of Judgment- in Heaven and Hell. Therefore, they are the borthers and sisters of Christians. The Koran acknowledges the Gospel, and acknowledges Jesus as the Messiah and Word of God (although they understand this differently from Catholics).

I may be wrong, but Jews do not believe any of these things.

Therefore, we are brothers in faith to Muslims, but cousins to Jews.

 

[Kliska]

Muslims venerate Jesus and the Virgin Mary. They believe in the Day or Resurrection, and the Day of Judgment- in Heaven and Hell. Therefore, they are the borthers and sisters of Christians. The Koran acknowledges the Gospel, and acknowledges Jesus as the Messiah and Word of God (although they understand this differently from Catholics).

I may be wrong, but Jews do not believe any of these things.

Therefore, we are brothers in faith to Muslims, but cousins to Jews.

Quite the contrary, only those in Christ are brothers and sister, for in Him we are adopted children of God.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Very good answers from Avila 123, livingwordunity, and Robyn p.

 

[inocente]

Pope Francis, Evangelii Gaudium, n.247: “We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked”

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Can someone explain? Doesn’t the Church teach that the coming of Christ abrogated the Old Covenant FOR ALL??!?!??

This opposes Pope Eugenius III’s and the Ecumenical Council of Florence’s dogmatic definition that the covenant was nullified with the coming of Christ.

JPII:

The Holy Father has stated this permanent reality of the Jewish people in a remarkable theological formula, in his allocution to the Jewish community of West Germany at Mainz, on November 17th, 1980: “the people of God of the Old Covenant, which has never been revoked”. - vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-jews-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19820306_jews-judaism_en.html

 

[uselessbeggar]

For a good analysis of this question look up Robert Sungenis Old Testament Revoked or not Revoked. There is a thread on this forum that is excellent. I believe it is labeled: Sungenis:Old covenant revoked as well as fulfilled

You will find an authoritative commentary on the subject.

These are trying times, friends in Christ. The apostasy has begun. Believe in the words of Christ in Sacred Scripture.

Keep in mind that Papal Encyclicals are generally documents on a variety of issues. Some or all are about about points beyond the scope of papal infallibility dealing with subjects other than faith or morals. Encyclicals are circular letter addressed to the bishops of the Church.