Heresy In The Hearing of The Faithful

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13pollitos said:
So are you saying that the priest is correct? What about the other parts of what he was saying?
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Yes, he is clearly correct about the Hail Mary unless Angels have a language that allows a word corresponding to ‘us’ that excludes the speaker. I confess that I don’t have strong views on the other points but as you have asked:

1 that not everything Paul wrote is true. (I didn’t confront)

I am sure that is the case. In fact, not everything ‘Paul’ wrote was written by Paul, in the opinion of a great many scholars.

2 that the just Angels were not saved by grace (resisted correction)

Well, they must have been saved at the least by grace plus the exercise of free will, as some were not saved.

3 that Mary was sinless from Her Birth (took correction like a saint)

I am sure Catholic teaching upholds this, just as she was female from birth. What happened prior to birth is irrelevant to this statement.

4 that Jesus could have sinned by chose not to (hostilely resisted correction but later on seeing the evidence of the Church’s teaching, humbly assented to the faith).

Hmmm. Given the deity of Jesus, and the omnipotence of God, not sure that this can be established. The same logic would suggest that God cannot be both creator and creature yet in Catholic teaching he managed that!
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FrDavid96 said:
It is one of those “constant teachings of the Church” that doesn’t get taught in theology school. One needs to google it to learn t. :roll_eyes:
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Oh, Horrors! 😱🤯😱

Two of are favorite priests are googletics, a particularly dreaded form of heretic!

Fortunately, this is CAF, so those not constrained by things such as “seminary” will surely set them straight . . . :roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:

hawk
 
Xpi22 said:
You are not serious, Father. If you are serious, you lack understanding of the Incarnation or are playing around.
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You are out of line, and this flagrant disrespect for clergy has gone too far.

Take some time off before you get yourself suspended.

Normally I’d send this privately, but public castigation of clergy is just too far.

hawk
 
Most of your post is not anything I wrote about. Someone else posted those things. I did not ask about them. .

However, your post and the other poster that answered mevcontradict each other and I’m back to square one.

Would either of the priests who have posted on this thread please weigh in on my original post? I believe my original post is #22.
 
13pollitos said:
This seems like a good spot to ask a question that has been eating at me for a few weeks now, and possibly ask for some guidance on what to do. A priest in my parish gave a homily about angels. He called all the young children up and recited the Guardian Angel prayer with them (Feast of the Angels). Father told the kids that it is very important to always pray to their guardian angel out loud because angels cannot hear their thoughts, only spoken words. He added that the same goes for Saints, only God the Father can hear mental prayers because only He can read our hearts. He went on to say that the children must be sure to prayer every day for their angel to stay good, because Guardian Angel can become fallen angels since they have free will. Father also remarked that despite parents telling their children that their angel prays with them and will finish their rosary if they fall asleep that the parents are very wrong about that. Angels can not pray the Hail Mary because they don’t have a body and can never die. This was the oddest experience I have ever had at Mass.

I teach Sunday school and several of the teachers went on to repeat these same things to the students in their classes (class is right after Mass). Was I taught incorrectly or is this all confusing to other cradle Catholics as well? I am asking partly because I had a few moms bring this up in the weeks since it occurred. One is considering going to the Archbishop about this. She has several children, including two that are deaf. They cannot speak out loud and now the kids are unsure their prayers are being heard.
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You need to talk to that priest.

Tell him what some people think they heard him say.

Ask him to clarify his points.
 
Xpi22 said:
Have you ever heard a priest preach heresy in a Catholic Church
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I don’t know if this is heresy or not, but more than one Roman Catholic priest has said from the pulpit, that Catholics should never pray to Mary.
One said that Catholics should only pray with Mary (not to Mary).
Another said that Catholics should only pray through Mary (not to Mary).
This is a teaching that is difficult for me to understand. As I read through the various prayers to Mary:
Hail Mary
Hail Holy Queen
Memorare
Exaltation of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
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It seems to me that with these prayers we are praying directly to Mary. I don’t know why Roman Catholic priests now say that it is wrong for Catholics to pray to Mary and that Catholics can only pray either through Mary or with Mary.
 
Thank you very much Father. I appreciate you taking the time to respond
 
Well, this may be considered more dissent than heresy, but once at my former parish I heard a visiting priest (later became pastor) talk about “stupid rules” and gave as one example the Church’s prohibition against divorce and remarriage. He went to give an example of a family member (either a sister or an aunt) who fell in love with and married a divorced man and the resulting pain she encountered and announced - from the pulpit - that if anyone were in a similar situation, to see him, and he would do something about it. After Mass I approached him and told him that I said a prayer for him that his personal feelings would not get in the way of doing his job.
 
AlNg said:
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Xpi22:
Have you ever heard a priest preach heresy in a Catholic Church
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I don’t know if this is heresy or not, but more than one Roman Catholic priest has said from the pulpit, that Catholics should never pray to Mary.
One said that Catholics should only pray with Mary (not to Mary).
Another said that Catholics should only pray through Mary (not to Mary).
This is a teaching that is difficult for me to understand. As I read through the various prayers to Mary:
Hail Mary
Hail Holy Queen
Memorare
Exaltation of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
…
It seems to me that with these prayers we are praying directly to Mary. I don’t know why Roman Catholic priests now say that it is wrong for Catholics to pray to Mary and that Catholics can only pray either through Mary or with Mary.
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It all depends on what is meant by ‘pray to’. Nowadays, it’s used for addressing God, so to avoid confusion, I agree with the priest.

Catholics should not talk of praying to Mary. Mary is not God.
 
paperwight said:
Catholics should not talk of praying to Mary. Mary is not God.
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When you pray these prayers, are you not praying directly to Mary, the Mother of God?
Hail Mary
Hail Holy Queen
Memorare
Exaltation of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
 
Nope. If I did hear it, I would assume that I was mistaken and would talk to the priest for clarification.
 
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