Heresy of the Catholic Mass?

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What?

gty.org/Resources/Sermons/90-318

How are we to feel about this? Have we finally been well, told off?

“Explaining God’s truth one verse at a time…” is it just me, or was it Catholics who actually came up with the verses?
 
While I don’t agree about the Sacrifice of the Mass, John Macarthur would probably say a similar thing about the Lutheran Divine Service especially when we use Divine Service 3 which is similar to pre-Vatican II Mass.
 
I read up to where he says: “There is no need for daily offering of sacrifices.”.

There is not a new offering of Christ each Mass. It is a participation in the one time sacrifice. I think some people have a hard time getting past the point that God transcends time.
 
1000 years ago the Catholic Mass was the only celebration of the liturgy in existence. It is amusing to see protestant and nondenominational persecute Catholics and our beliefs as if we are the deviants and they are the originating authority, when it is completely opposite.

Pray for our misguided brothers, shall we? Ecumenism one step at a time.
 
John MacArthur is a well known detractor of the Catholic faith…his reasoning is filled with half-truths and misunderstandings about Catholicism… But, that doesn’t stop him.
 
Wow. An instance of “a little knowledge being a dangerous thing”. The author has no concept of the historical context of the mass, nor does he look to other ancient churches, such at the Coptics to see what the first Christians did for worship.

There are some solid books on the history of the mass, and how it has changed over time, but one thing is evident in the earliest of the Christian celebrations, a mass was celebrated. I have a book around here that is great at explaining and citing the earliest historical examples, and once I find it, I’ll post the info. Not sure if it is still in print, I picked it up at a book sale at my parish at last year’s festival. 🙂
 
regression said:
I read up to where he says: “There is no need for daily offering of sacrifices.”.

There is not a new offering of Christ each Mass. It is a participation in the one time sacrifice. I think some people have a hard time getting past the point that God transcends time.
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Exactly. It’s really beautiful if you think about it. We, at each mass are celebrating in a way that transcends time. Amazing and awe inspiring!
 
The mass has changed overtime. The Mass has no one single scriptural support because the Mass is a combination of things. Readings, a Sermon, recreating the last supper, and offering the bread and wine as acceptable sacrifices in the recreation.

The readings predate Christianity. The readings go all the way back to Temple services in Judiac times, reading of the Talmud and the Torah before the congregation. The Sermon goes back to these times as well when the Priest or Rabbi would sermonize on the Torah and divine law of God. And of course the last supper and sacrifice is a combo, as the sacrifice goes back again to Judiac times when God required burnt offerings and animal sacrifices in the Temple, and the obvious pretext for the Gospel story of the last supper and Jesus’ Crucifixion.
 
regression said:
I read up to where he says: “There is no need for daily offering of sacrifices.”.

There is not a new offering of Christ each Mass. It is a participation in the one time sacrifice. I think some people have a hard time getting past the point that God transcends time.
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I only read to where he says this:

“And I tell you this, this may seem a little bit rambling as I go through this material. Usually I’m pretty organized in my thinking but as I was trying to finally put this together Saturday while I was flying, there was just an interminably bumpy flight and I think it was jogging my brain, along with everything else.”

And I only read this far because, yes, what he was attempting to say did seem a bit rambling, even to this point.

And I stopped, because I know that our omnipotent Lord has the ability to cause a flight to be “interminably bumpy” and to thereby “[jog] the brain” of someone attempting to undermine His eternal truth.

I don’t need to read another word beyond that admission on Mr. MacArthur’s part.
 
The poor ignorant soul needs to read The Mass of the Early Christians by Mike Aquilina.

It would be good for Catholics to read it as well. Protestantism has no appeal when one knows the history of Christianity, which is the history of the Catholic Church, and the beliefs and practices of the early Christians who were taught by the Apostles own lips.

Jim Dandy
 
I didn’t like his teaching and opinions when I was a Protestant, and I still don’t.
 
‘TV/radio pastors’ In my honest opinion give these outlandish sermons and publications merely to jout a reaction for ratings, hits, or to gain more followers.

Or in the case of the ones on TV, to make a quick buck from a donation call.
 
SnakeMauler said:
What?

gty.org/Resources/Sermons/90-318

How are we to feel about this? Have we finally been well, told off?

“Explaining God’s truth one verse at a time…” is it just me, or was it Catholics who actually came up with the verses?
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This is part and parcel of the New Religion, formulated by White Europeans. Not only are they a new religion, claim the name of Christian and then call that from which they split from a false religion or cult.
 
Tee-hee. I’ve told this story on other threads, but my use of a MacArthur Bible study practice started me on the road to the Catholic church. When I wrote to thank him for his role in helping me across the Tiber, he (more likely his staff) sent me the two-CD set of this message.
 
This is the same guy who called Joel Osteen Satanic. Ugh. It is painful to watch them turn not only on their roots, but even on each other.
 
DaveBj said:
Tee-hee. I’ve told this story on other threads, but my use of a MacArthur Bible study practice started me on the road to the Catholic church. When I wrote to thank him for his role in helping me across the Tiber, he (more likely his staff) sent me the two-CD set of this message.
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I once got a MacArthur Study Bible for Christmas. When I would go to passages like the one at the annunciation and the visitation, the commentary had a long explanation about why this passage gives no honor to Mary. In the magnificat there was an explanation about why Mary recognized God as “her savior” means that she acknowledged her own sin. In the John chapter 6 passage there was a long verse talking about why Jesus’ words cannot be taken as literal. It’s just funny to me how so much of his commentary is all about why Catholics are wrong.
 
CompSciGuy said:
I once got a MacArthur Study Bible for Christmas. When I would go to passages like the one at the annunciation and the visitation, the commentary had a long explanation about why this passage gives no honor to Mary. In the magnificat there was an explanation about why Mary recognized God as “her savior” means that she acknowledged her own sin. In the John chapter 6 passage there was a long verse talking about why Jesus’ words cannot be taken as literal. It’s just funny to me how so much of his commentary is all about why Catholics are wrong.
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oh wow… that is lame.
 
i find the prayer in the last prayer very ironic.:o

he needs our prayers[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
 
CopticChristian said:
This is part and parcel of the New Religion, formulated by White Europeans. Not only are they a new religion, claim the name of Christian and then call that from which they split from a false religion or cult.
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Why do you insist on calling it new, it’s not.
 
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