Heretical bishop?

[Prophesy]

Hey all,

I was reading an article about a bishop of South Africa who promoted use of condoms, the ordination of women, condemned clerical celibacy and the Vatican for trying to make Catholicism more ‘controllable’ during his homily.

So the question is, if a priest or bishop blatantly expounds heresy (which he knows is heresy), is communion affected (since the presider of communion isn’t in communion with the Vatican)?

-Prophecy

Article:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/aug/10081308.html

 

[stuart12]

Hey all,

I was reading an article about a bishop of South Africa who promoted use of condoms, the ordination of women, condemned clerical celibacy and the Vatican for trying to make Catholicism more ‘controllable’ during his homily.

So the question is, if a priest or bishop blatantly expounds heresy (which he knows is heresy), is communion affected (since the presider of communion isn’t in communion with the Vatican)?

-Prophecy

Article:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/aug/10081308.html

No. The sacraments work by the power of Christ and their efficacy is based on His promise to be with the Church until the end of the world.
Unless, incorrect matter, form or intention is used, the grace is conferred and in the case of the Mass, Christ truly becomes present.
The sacraments are valid even if communion with Rome is not preserved (for Holy Orders/Eucharist only if valid apostolic succession is retained).

 

[Redratfish]

No. The sacraments work by the power of Christ and their efficacy is based on His promise to be with the Church until the end of the world.
Unless, incorrect matter, form or intention is used, the grace is conferred and in the case of the Mass, Christ truly becomes present.
The sacraments are valid even if communion with Rome is not preserved (for Holy Orders/Eucharist only if valid apostolic succession is retained).

I am curious, that sounds like anyone can truly make the bread into Eucharist. What if a Methodist preacher (who believes the bread truly is Jesus) took the place of the priest just for the consecration. Would it still transubstancetiate because the rest of the mass was said properly? Please just clarify.

To the OP, stuart may be right. I am not an expert. I thought that once a person was excommunicated, that they had to go to confession before serving another mass with valid Eucharist.

 

[paddy22]

I am curious, that sounds like anyone can truly make the bread into Eucharist. What if a Methodist preacher (who believes the bread truly is Jesus) took the place of the priest just for the consecration. Would it still transubstancetiate because the rest of the mass was said properly? Please just clarify.

To the OP, stuart may be right. I am not an expert. I thought that once a person was excommunicated, that they had to go to confession before serving another mass with valid Eucharist.

No, transubstantiation would not take place, as the Methodist preacher would not have valid orders. It would remain bread and wine.

 

[Joe_5859]

To the OP, stuart may be right. I am not an expert. I thought that once a person was excommunicated, that they had to go to confession before serving another mass with valid Eucharist.

They certainly should! A priest has to be reconciled with the Church before he can celebrate Mass licitly and without compounding their personal sin; however, as long as the Mass is celebrated validly, the Eucharist is still valid.

The technical theological term is that the sacraments work ex opere operato (“out of the work having been worked”). Their validity and the grace they give to the recipients does not depend on the holiness of the priest.

 

[NewsTheMan]

Hey thanks for the article. I’m South African and never even heard of this! Shocking stuff!