Hermaphrodites

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Marriage is between one man and one woman, but what if someone is born a hermaphrodite? Are they allow to marry? And if so, who decides which gender theyre allowed to marry?
 
You’re referring to intersexed people, and I suspect it depends on the specific situation. There isn’t just one “type of intersexed people.”
 
Faith1960 said:
Marriage is between one man and one woman, but what if someone is born a hermaphrodite? Are they allow to marry? And if so, who decides which gender theyre allowed to marry?
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At first I thought you were asking whether they could marry themselves. :eek:
 
Faith1960 said:
Marriage is between one man and one woman, but what if someone is born a hermaphrodite? Are they allow to marry? And if so, who decides which gender theyre allowed to marry?
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If we’re discussing hypotheticals, how would the church address conjoined twins and marriage?
 
They can’t have kids, right? Therefore, they probably shouldn’t get married. I may be wrong, I dont know what the Church teaches on this subject.
 
Sarcelle said:
Infertility is not a barrier to marriage. Impotence is.
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Oops, I just read that hermaphrodites CAN get pregnant. I guess they can marry men then.

I thought that hermaphrodite could not get pregnant. 0% chance. I thought the same reasoning that was applied to gay men would be applied to hermaphrodites.
 
Rhubarb said:
You’re referring to intersexed people, and I suspect it depends on the specific situation. There isn’t just one “type of intersexed people.”
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The OP may still be referring to biological hermaphrodites which is a specific type of intersex condition. I’m not familiar with the socially inoffensive terms used by individuals to describe themselves so substitute whichever word is agreed upon to refer to humans with hermaphroditism. I would imagine that at least historically true hermaphrodites were refused marriage since in most cases sexual organs are ambiguous or nonfunctioning. I have no doubt that some intersex individuals have historically married, especially in the case of genetic intersex (pseudohermaphroditism) since there’s no way of knowing except through a DNA test or surgically examining internal sex organs.
 
CRUSADER_KING said:
Oops, I just read that hermaphrodites CAN get pregnant. I guess they can marry men then.
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You’re still missing Sarcelle’s point. The Catholic Church’s position has been that impotence has disqualified individuals from marriage since the subsequent consummation of the marriage is impossible. Infertility doesn’t prevent consummation and so those who are infertile may marry. Whether those with hermaphroditism can get pregnant is irrelevant to whether they may marry in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
I thought that hermaphrodite could not get pregnant. 0% chance. I thought the same reasoning that was applied to gay men would be applied to hermaphrodites.
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True hermaphroditism involves ambiguous genitalia and usually the presence of both testicular and ovarian tissues. Fertility ranges are quite wide among individuals, and in any given case societal reaction to the hermaphroditism can impact whether the individual is fertile. Up until the mid-60s it was common practice to surgically assign those with such conditions to a female sex. If the individual was actually chromosomally male or had a preponderance of testicular tissue such that the male gonads were functioning but the female ones were not, then the individual would be infertile (due to the surgical assigning of sex).
 
Brandon_Cal said:
You’re still missing Sarcelle’s point. The Catholic Church’s position has been that impotence has disqualified individuals from marriage since the subsequent consummation of the marriage is impossible. Infertility doesn’t prevent consummation and so those who are infertile may marry. Whether those with hermaphroditism can get pregnant is irrelevant to whether they may marry in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
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So if a hermaphrodite gets his/her/its male genitals cut off, and they can have sex and consummate the marriage, their marriage is recognized by the Church? Is this possible? I’m not too familiar with hermaphrodite anatomy.
 
:banghead::banghead::banghead::

Why are people dwelling on this stuff?

Unless you are one, or marry one, it’s not your business!

While you are at it, find out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Yes, I know, ya made me look too!
 
Crusaderbear said:
:banghead::banghead::banghead::

Why are people dwelling on this stuff?

Unless you are one, or marry one, it’s not your business!

While you are at it, find out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Yes, I know, ya made me look too!
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Why should we discuss anything? Is that what your asking? Should we not discuss the evil of homosexual sex because we are not gay? Should we not discuss the absurdities of the religion of Islam because we are not Muslim? Hermaphrodite marriage is an interesting topic, and this forum can help people learn about the morality of it. Stop being so darn sensitive.
 
CRUSADER_KING said:
So if a hermaphrodite gets his/her/its male genitals cut off, and they can have sex and consummate the marriage, their marriage is recognized by the Church? Is this possible? I’m not too familiar with hermaphrodite anatomy.
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It sounds like there are all kinds of “hermaphrodites”. I guess if they can find a partner who fits them, let them marry. In a way it is a very private issue.
 
CRUSADER_KING said:
So if a hermaphrodite gets his/her/its male genitals cut off, and they can have sex and consummate the marriage, their marriage is recognized by the Church? Is this possible? I’m not too familiar with hermaphrodite anatomy.
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I have no idea what the Church’s judgements have been (if there are even any) concerning hermaphroditism and marriage. I was merely pointing out that your appeal to fertility is a non sequitur. Whatever the Church’s judgement is I’d assume it has something to do with what she teaches about a perceived ‘inherent sex’ of individuals. Ascertaining the ‘inherent sex’ of an individual may be problematic. I’m not even sure the Catholic Church has come out explicitly and defined what makes males male and females female.
 
CRUSADER_KING said:
I’m not too familiar with -]hermaphrodite/-] intersex anatomy.
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It looks like the term hermaphrodite is considered quite offensive with respect to humans at least, so I think it best that we go with the broader ‘intersex’ label here on out.

In any case, as I mentioned earlier, intersex conditions are highly variable. The anatomy of intersex individuals will be extensively varied and quite confusing given the thousands of molecular variables that give rise to sex characteristics during development.
 
CRUSADER_KING said:
Why should we discuss anything? Is that what your asking? Should we not discuss the evil of homosexual sex because we are not gay? Should we not discuss the absurdities of the religion of Islam because we are not Muslim? Hermaphrodite marriage is an interesting topic, and this forum can help people learn about the morality of it. Stop being so darn sensitive.
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Right.👍
 
Brandon_Cal said:
It looks like the term hermaphrodite is considered quite offensive with respect to humans at least, so I think it best that we go with the broader ‘intersex’ label here on out.

In any case, as I mentioned earlier, intersex conditions are highly variable. The anatomy of intersex individuals will be extensively varied and quite confusing given the thousands of molecular variables that give rise to sex characteristics during development.
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Hermaphrodite is, as far as I know, the correct term.
 
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