hey ATHIESTS, was Hitler right?

[RebeccaJ]

Hitler was born and raised a Catholic, never repudiated the Catholic faith, and said the following:

He also supported and believed a lot of other things, such as Eugenics. He never refuted his belief that natural selection = superior races.

 

[Valke2]

Why is it precious without God though? I am sure that a man who is suffering from cancer and is constantly sick wont bless life if he believes there is no overarching purpose to life.

If this is the only life we are given, one could reasonably conclude that it is all the more precious for that very reason.

 

[jimmy]

If this is the only life we are given, one could reasonably conclude that it is all the more precious for that very reason.

But at the same time it is all the more meaningless. This idea of preciousness simply becomes subjective and it all becomes about what we personally find to be meaningful. So it could be precious to one man and nothing to another and they are both justified in their conclusion.

 

[jimmy]

Hitler was born and raised a Catholic, never repudiated the Catholic faith, and said the following:

He also threw Catholic monks in the death camps. So please never say he was a Catholic, he was not. It is insulting to common sense.

 

[Valke2]

But at the same time it is all the more meaningless. This idea of preciousness simply becomes subjective and it all becomes about what we personally find to be meaningful. So it could be precious to one man and nothing to another and they are both justified in their conclusion.

That’s true whether God exists or not.

 

[jimmy]

That’s true whether God exists or not.

Not really. There is an overarching meaning to life if God exists that is not subject to my opinions. I can submit myself to that purpose or deny it but I can’t change that purpose. We are called to something by God. It is something that is initiated by God and we respond to. It truely is ultimate. Without God there is no meaning that is overarching. Death is just as precious as life without God.

 

[Valke2]

Not really. There is an overarching meaning to life if God exists that is not subject to my opinions. I can submit myself to that purpose or deny it but I can’t change that purpose. We are called to something by God. It is something that is initiated by God and we respond to. It truely is ultimate. Without God there is no meaning that is overarching. Death is just as precious as life without God.

Why? If there is no God and this is the only time we get to exist, that would seem to make this time more valuable, not less. If there is no afterlife to look forward to, then there is only this life. So every moment can become more valuable than if this were merely a stepping stone to the hereafter.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

God is not necessary for justice. A reasonable mind can reach the conclusion that if this is the only life we have, then it becomes infinitely precious and that it is infinitely precious to others and must be respected.

Why should we value the lives of others?

If life is INFINITELY precious, then MY LIFE is certainly more precious than YOUR LIFE!!

I should then do ANYTHING to preserve the single thing of MOST VALUE to ME, which is MY life.

This thinking means that ANY MEANS is justified for the protection (and continuation) of the singular most preciious thing in the universe. MY life.

Mass murder of those who perhaps MIGHT be a threat to me is certainly justifiable under this formulation.

This is NOT the thinking of a true atheist. This is the thinking of someone who makes themself a god.

The true atheist considers himself an accident who deserves to die, since it’s going to happen eventually anyway, and since there’s no hope of improving anything, as it’s all doomed to die and rot in the vast course of aimless time, it’s probably better to minimize the suffering (his at least) by getting it over with as soon as possible.

If one has a “goal”, or believes that we are “progressing” toward some “better state”, one is not an atheist. One is thus a religious person.

The only question is what is one’s religious “target”?

Is it the singular worthy one, or the multitudinous unworthy ones?

 

[Valke2]

Why should we value the lives of others?

If life is INFINITELY precious, then MY LIFE is certainly more precious than YOUR LIFE!!

I should then do ANYTHING to preserve the single thing of MOST VALUE to ME, which is MY life.

This thinking means that ANY MEANS is justified for the protection (and continuation) of the singular most preciious thing in the universe. MY life.

Mass murder of those who perhaps MIGHT be a threat to me is certainly justifiable under this formulation.

This is NOT the thinking of a true atheist. This is the thinking of someone who makes themself a god.

The true atheist considers himself an accident who deserves to die, since it’s going to happen eventually anyway, and since there’s no hope of improving anything, as it’s all doomed to die and rot in the vast course of aimless time, it’s probably better to minimize the suffering (his at least) by getting it over with as soon as possible.

If one has a “goal”, or believes that we are “progressing” toward some “better state”, one is not an atheist. One is thus a religious person.

The only question is what is one’s religious “target”?

Is it the singular worthy one, or the multitudinous unworthy ones?

Because, acknowledging that life is precious we have to acknowledge that everyone has the right to make the most of their lives. Those that prevent others from doing this will be brought to justice by those who understand that life is precious.
Everything in youir post exists in this world. So whether there is a God or not, the appreciate of life and the waste of life are equally possible.

 

[AllSaints1631]

Got links? Is it possible that these pictures were not as you viewed them

This is the most common internet picture (Pius XII was a cardinal here) and indeed the only one showing the two men together.
http://i.cn.cz/1105820599_pius-xii-hitler.jpg

Looks rather like forced smiles to me

www.nobeliefs.com

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy
Not really. There is an overarching meaning to life if God exists that is not subject to my opinions. I can submit myself to that purpose or deny it but I can’t change that purpose. We are called to something by God. It is something that is initiated by God and we respond to. It truely is ultimate. Without God there is no meaning that is overarching. Death is just as precious as life without God.

Why? If there is no God and this is the only time we get to exist, that would seem to make this time more valuable, not less. If there is no afterlife to look forward to, then there is only this life. So every moment can become more valuable than if this were merely a stepping stone to the hereafter.

This (life) IS the only time we get, to do that which convinces us to either choose God or not at our end.

You seem to think that the afterlife is merely an extension of our earthly life. That is incorrect.

This may seem off-topic, but do you know why Satan “fell” and hates us so much? The Satanic angels were very annoyed that we humans would get to “change our minds” (back and forth) here on earth IN TIME and that annoyance caused them to sin against God.

ONLY humans are given time (literally) to “work out” whether we want to be with God or not. The angels are eternally commited to EVERY decision they make AS THEY MAKE IT.

By being given time, by existing IN TIME, we have received an incredibly great gift. What makes time (life) valuable is not that it’s simply "better than the alternative, but that it is something to be used to establish our disposition once it’s over.

TIme is only valuable for two reasons:

1. To make ourselves as comfortable during it, because once it’s gone we are no longer capable of being comfortable (as we’re anihilated).
2. To do what makes us most comfortable after it, because once it’s over we’ll have to live with our “final” decision FOREVER.

The first reason creates a creature that will do ANYTHING to get what makes it comfortable, as no “pang of conscience” is worth forestalling anihilation.

The second reason creates a human being not perverted to mere animal.

 

[Valke2]

all that theology is besides the point, when the question is how can an atheist value life. The answer is, he or she can. God is not necessary. Certainly, belief in God is not necessary.

 

[holy_wood]

But the difference is that Atheist have no reason to care for life.

Christianity has dominated the Western world for centuries, thus it has been entrenched in the social-consciousness of our culture that people have value and rights.

However, thousands die everday. Is their any reason why if their is no God and they have no real value, why, if it benefited me and my society to kill them.

If everyone outside of North America were to die from some catastrophy that would benefit our society greatly.

The economy would suffer a bit but nearly five-hundred-million people will have the resources of an entire planet to do with as they please.

 

[Valke2]

And yet atheists clearly care for life as much as the next person.

 

[Tim_Kirchoff]

And yet atheists clearly care for life as much as the next person.

Then the question becomes, how do they justify it?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

all that theology is besides the point, when the question is how can an atheist value life. The answer is, he or she can. God is not necessary. Certainly, belief in God is not necessary.

I can also say that “food is not necessary”, if I can prove that I don’t need food by being observed for only 5 minutes. I can CERTAINLY fast for 5 minutes.

When faced with either death or “giving up an ethical principle”, the “after effects” of the decision are what are taken into consideration when deciding on one or the other.

To the atheist, annihilation is to be avoided above all other considerations.

To the “religious”, serving the good even at the cost of life itself is the most important consideration.

And if someone who calls themself an “atheist” claims that their giving up their life for their child is acting as an atheist would act, they are mistaken.

That is the act of one putting LOVE before their own annihilation, which is the act of a religious person. God is love, and putting your witness of God before earthly existence makes you a non-atheist.

There are in fact VERY few real atheists. Those who claim to be atheists are just hoping that no one keeps an eye on them for very long and embarrasses them when they “slip up”.

 

[notself]

I can also say that “food is not necessary”, if I can prove that I don’t need food by being observed for only 5 minutes. I can CERTAINLY fast for 5 minutes.

When faced with either death or “giving up an ethical principle”, the “after effects” of the decision are what are taken into consideration when deciding on one or the other.

To the atheist, annihilation is to be avoided above all other considerations.

To the “religious”, serving the good even at the cost of life itself is the most important consideration.

And if someone who calls themself an “atheist” claims that their giving up their life for their child is acting as an atheist would act, they are mistaken.

That is the act of one putting LOVE before their own annihilation, which is the act of a religious person. God is love, and putting your witness of God before earthly existence makes you a non-atheist.

There are in fact VERY few real atheists. Those who claim to be atheists are just hoping that no one keeps an eye on them for very long and embarrasses them when they “slip up”.

So anyone who doesn’t believe the way you believe is wicked if not watched very carefully? How sad.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

And yet atheists clearly care for life as much as the next person.

How do they do that?

It’s easy, and fashionable, to call youself an atheist.

Once they act other than “selfishly”, even other than “enlightendly selfishly”, they prove that they aren’t atheists. They value love more than hedonism, which negates their atheism, as “God is love”.

By “care for life” what do you mean? Do you mean “care for their own life”, or “care for the lives of others”?

 

[AllSaints1631]

anyone care to comment on these pictures shown here? www.nobeliefs.com

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

So anyone who doesn’t believe the way you believe is wicked if not watched very carefully? How sad.

Anyone who doesn’t believe the way humans are supposed to believe as told to us by God through the Magisterium is to be helped to do so, so that they can be as human as possible in their actions and experiences.

I was saying that no co-called atheist is actually an atheist if observed long enough.

And no atheist who dies as an atheist is an atheist in hell. He’s finally gotten the “experiential” proof he demanded in life.

Too bad it’s a bit too late to do anything WITH that newly aquired proof.