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Jimmy_B
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Hey, is there anybody here at CAF, who believes that Jesus Christ had biological brothers and can you prove it?
Hey, is there anybody here at CAF, who believes that Jesus Christ had biological brothers and can you prove it?
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Zenas
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No, I don’t believe Jesus had biological brothers but I can’t prove it and neither can you. The best thing we have is tradition, which is not nearly as ancient as it ought to be for real reliability, and the circumstantial evidence presented in John 19:26-27.
Clearly, those who maintain the opposite POV would encounter similar frustrations in their search for the empirical truth of this matter.
Clearly, those who maintain the opposite POV would encounter similar frustrations in their search for the empirical truth of this matter.
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Jimmy_B
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Thank you for your post Zenas,
Oh… but, I think I can…Wait for…Wait for it…
I will prove (in later posts here) that the Bible doesn’t prove that Jesus Christ had biological brothers …If that makes any sense…
I am first, waiting for a few more comments here, to the contrary, before I reveal my evidence…
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Gottle_of_Geer
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##** I believe He did - apart from that I agree with you whole-heartedly **
**Conviction & proof are impossible if one’s mind is closed. That’s not a reproach - to function at all, we all have to close our minds to all sorts of things that people believe. **
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Angel_Bradford
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I don’t believe Jesus had any biological siblings because if he had he would not have given his mother to John to take care of.
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Zenas
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That’s not very hard, but you can’t prove from scripture that Jesus did or did not have biological brothers. However, you can use scripture to eliminate two likely suspects, *i.e., *James and Joses. See John 19:25 and Mark 15:40.I will prove (in later posts here) that the Bible doesn’t prove that Jesus Christ had biological brothers …If that makes any sense…
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Jimmy_B
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Yep…James…There are only two “James’” in the entire New Testament and they have different fathers. Neither James has Joseph “the carpenter” as their biological father, nor do they have, as their biological mother, the Virgin Mary.
- James the son of Zebedee (Matthew 4:21)
- James, the Apostle and the son of Alphaeus (Matthew 10:3).
This one (James) was easy……One down three to go…
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rpp
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I do not believe that Jesus had any biological brothers.
I will concede that St. Joseph may have been a widower and had children from his previous marriage. But those would be step-siblings.
While Scripture does not state explicitly whether Jesus had siblings, it is implie din one place that he did not have any, when he put his mother in the care of the Apostle John when he was crucified. This was mentioned earlier in the thread.
I am sure that someone will bring up the quot in Mark referring to Jesus’ brothers and sisters’. Then another poster will talk about language and show that the word could also mean cousins or even step-siblings.
I will concede that St. Joseph may have been a widower and had children from his previous marriage. But those would be step-siblings.
While Scripture does not state explicitly whether Jesus had siblings, it is implie din one place that he did not have any, when he put his mother in the care of the Apostle John when he was crucified. This was mentioned earlier in the thread.
I am sure that someone will bring up the quot in Mark referring to Jesus’ brothers and sisters’. Then another poster will talk about language and show that the word could also mean cousins or even step-siblings.
Other than the fact that, had Jesus had brothers, he would have given his mother to them at the cross, I’m not aware of any real evidence one way or another. So, if you believe the BVM was ever-virgin, you would then accept that, obviously, he had no siblings. As a Lutheran, marion beliefs are not an article of faith, and therefore we are free to believe them or not. I do, for the most part, and so do not believe he did (have brothers).
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Rightlydivide
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And when the brothers DO NOT follow him or believe him that makes them what Jimmy…
There are three James obvious…heck 100 years later , they said James was the son of Joseph by a different marriage, so you do not even agree with " Sacred Tradition"…
There are three James obvious…heck 100 years later , they said James was the son of Joseph by a different marriage, so you do not even agree with " Sacred Tradition"…
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Rightlydivide
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That makes no sense. John does not prove squat. Heck, at the very least Mary had grown nephews or step-children,
Did Jesus give her to those so called nephews or so called step children, who, oh by the way for those who actually read the Bible…travelled with her!
does that prove THEY did not exist…you guys REALLY need to think this through. This is absurd.
Did Jesus give her to those so called nephews or so called step children, who, oh by the way for those who actually read the Bible…travelled with her!
does that prove THEY did not exist…you guys REALLY need to think this through. This is absurd.
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PaulDupre
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Your profile lists you as Catholic, yet you deny the Blessed Virgin’s perpetual virginity?
Say it isn’t so!
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Jimmy_B
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Hello Rightlydivide,
That is easy to answer, If they do not follow Jesus, then by His definition of “brother, sisters” they would not be His “brothers”, because they are not “followers of Christ”.
Show me the verse where the “third James” is mentioned…It sounds to me like to might have a belief, which is outside of Scripture.
Additionally, I believe that your comment, regarding the “step-children of Joseph”, that you allude to, is either from a rejected Gnostic Gospel or from an early Homily and that statement was not an Infallible statement. The Catholic Church has never declared, infallibly, that St. Joseph had stepchildren. Although, here you can find information on “The Virginity of Saint Joseph in the Latin Fathers and Medieval Ecclesiastical Writers”.
And here you can find, “Mary and Joseph Lived Gift of Virginity”, by Pope John Paul II.
And here is some more information about St. Joseph at Catholic Answers.
Note: Papal Infallibility does not mean that everything that a Pope says is declared Infallible. The Pope is only Infallible on issues of Faith and Morals and there is usually a lengthy process within the Catholic Church, which is followed, often times in an Ecumenical Council, before a statement is declared Infallible.
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“The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,” and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.” This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itselfhttp://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
**That Catholic Church moves slowly, for example, it takes the Catholic Church, in some cases, hundreds of years to declare someone a Saint.
I hope that this helps.
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Singinbeauty
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Can you prove Mary’s Assumption?
Why ask a question like this when there are traditions in the catholic faith that cannot be proven?
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YADA
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Can you prove the Resurrection, Moses’ parting of the Red Sea, th plagues that befell pharoh, raising Lazarus from the grave? Giving sight to the blind and curing the lepers, Jonah and hte whale, the talking donkey, burning bush?
Catholic, Jewish, Non-catholic Christian … all have tradtions and beliefs that cannot be proven … I take offense at this swipe at the ‘catholic faith’
the OP believes he has some insight to share … please allow the dialogue to play itself out …
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Jimmy_B
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**Hello Singinbeauty, this is a little off-topic but here is some information on the “Assumption of Mary”. **
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“Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death.” The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:
In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.
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Victory over the “prince of this world” was won once for all at the Hour when Jesus freely gave himself up to death to give us his life. This is the judgment of this world, and the prince of this world is “cast out.” “He pursued the woman” but had no hold on her: the new Eve, “full of grace” of the Holy Spirit, is preserved from sin and the corruption of death (the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of the Most Holy Mother of God, Mary, ever virgin). “Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring.” Therefore the Spirit and the Church pray: “Come, Lord Jesus,” since his coming will deliver us from the Evil One’
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The Sunday celebration of the Lord’s Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church’s life. “Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church.”
“Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi, the feast of Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of Saint Joseph, the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints.”
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Related Bible verses
Genesis 3:15
Genesis 5::24
Hebrews11:5
2 kings 2:11
Mathew 27:52
1 Corinthians 15:52
Romans 6:23
Revelations 11:19, 12:1, 12:17
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Elric
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I think that there is a possibilty that Jesus had siblings.
If he did, it wouldnt change anything for me and I dont think that it would change his message or anything else.
I think that people are far too concerned with the sibling idea that they get distracted from the message that Christ gave. It would be cool to know for sure, but its not that important.
If he did, it wouldnt change anything for me and I dont think that it would change his message or anything else.
I think that people are far too concerned with the sibling idea that they get distracted from the message that Christ gave. It would be cool to know for sure, but its not that important.
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believers
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Yes. I can prove it.
Luk 24:44
And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
Jesus quotes the Psalms
Jhn 15:25
But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Psa 69:4
They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, [being] mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored [that] which I took not away.
Jhn 2:16-17
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise. And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
Psa 69:9
For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
Psa 69:4-9
Psa 69 (4) They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, [being] mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored [that] which I took not away. (5) O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee. (6) Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel.(7) Because for thy sake I have borne reproach; shame hath covered my face. (8) I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother’s children. (9) For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
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Jimmy_B
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Hello believers,
The question here is, “Hey, is there anybody here at CAF, who believes that Jesus Christ had biological brothers and can you prove it?” Did you accidentally post on the wrong thread because none of the verses that you posted seems to have anything to do with this thread question, or am I missing something? Can you please clarify?
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