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ltwin
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There is an Anglican province in India but not sure if its popular.
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I am appreciating this civil discussion, and GKMotley’s information. I also didn’t understand the Anglican Church. Learning much. Thanks everyone.
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blackforest
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Actual historians will disagree with your interpretation, but all’s well. 
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7_Sorrows
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i hear a lot of news about Anglicans in Africa and Australia, but i do not hear much about Anglicans in India, so i doubt they have a large community.
are there Anglicans in New Zealand as well?
are there Anglicans in New Zealand as well?
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SnowRose
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I find this thread very informative and civil, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
If anything, that Anglican motleyness combined with (the possibility of) high liturgy is very appealing to me, it has the look and feel of ’home’ if I had to switch.
If anything, that Anglican motleyness combined with (the possibility of) high liturgy is very appealing to me, it has the look and feel of ’home’ if I had to switch.
blackforest
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Someone on CAF recommended to me the Anglican Ordinariate church. There are none in my area, unfortunately, but it sounds intriguing.
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QContinuum
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Speaking for my particular Anglican branch (Episcopal Church USA), you’d be welcome. No need to switch. We have Lutheran clergy who celebrate alongside ours from time to time.
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SnowRose
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The Anglican churches of the British Isles are in full communion w my Lutheran one (and I think the Episcopalians are too, by now).
But if I move longterm to where there is no equiv Lutheran church, then yes I’m considering converting in due time.
And Thank you for your kind invitation.
But if I move longterm to where there is no equiv Lutheran church, then yes I’m considering converting in due time.
And Thank you for your kind invitation.
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Dovekin
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The Church of England started when Pope Gregory the Great sent St Augustine to evangelize Britain. Augustine became the first bishop of Canterbury, establishing an episcopal line that has continued unbroken to this day.
A thousand years later, Henry VIII got caught up in a political whirlwind that meshed with religious polemics. The changes to the Church in England alienated them from the Church in Rome, which led ultimately to an evaluation of the English Church. The rupture that started with Henry was seen to be the creation of a new separate Church, not a continuation of the apostolic church that had thrived for 1000 years.
For most of its existence, the Anglican churches have tried to accomodate a wide variety of religious and theological positions. They truly wanted to be the Church in England, where every Christian could go. This committment worked against having strong confessional statements, a dogmatic identity. The real dogma beneath the Church is to unite all, have the same prayer in common.
A thousand years later, Henry VIII got caught up in a political whirlwind that meshed with religious polemics. The changes to the Church in England alienated them from the Church in Rome, which led ultimately to an evaluation of the English Church. The rupture that started with Henry was seen to be the creation of a new separate Church, not a continuation of the apostolic church that had thrived for 1000 years.
For most of its existence, the Anglican churches have tried to accomodate a wide variety of religious and theological positions. They truly wanted to be the Church in England, where every Christian could go. This committment worked against having strong confessional statements, a dogmatic identity. The real dogma beneath the Church is to unite all, have the same prayer in common.
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There are two United churches in India, both members of the Anglican Communion. And as to NZ, yes, the splendidly named “Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia”.
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I would just add that the Church had been in what we now call England for hundreds of years before the Augustinian mission and that, although by Augustine’s time the elite in the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms in Central and Eastern Albion were pagan, the Church was still present : indeed Augustine met its bishops.
We should note also that before Augustine’s arrival the Irish Church (itself the product of British missionaries) was repaying the compliment by establishing mission centres in Scotland, and later in Northumbria.
Whether these earlier churches were Catholic in the RC sense is an anachronistic question, since, of course, their origins were something like a thousand years before the Church of Rome split from the churches of the East. They were not, however, under the Pope’s personal control, since establishing such control was part of Augustine’s instructions. He was not altogether successful.
We should note also that before Augustine’s arrival the Irish Church (itself the product of British missionaries) was repaying the compliment by establishing mission centres in Scotland, and later in Northumbria.
Whether these earlier churches were Catholic in the RC sense is an anachronistic question, since, of course, their origins were something like a thousand years before the Church of Rome split from the churches of the East. They were not, however, under the Pope’s personal control, since establishing such control was part of Augustine’s instructions. He was not altogether successful.
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7_Sorrows
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thanks for the info. i would assume the 2 United churches in India do not have a large membership?7_Sorrows:
There are two United churches in India, both members of the Anglican Communion. And as to NZ, yes, the splendidly named Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia,
at one time, i thought the 3 largest branches of Christianity were Catholicism, Orthodox and Anglicanism.
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As to India I am sure you are right — just a few million, I believe. I understand Anglicanism is still considered No 3 in the world, and although the CofE is the largest Anglican Church (probably — it may depend how you count) African churches hold over half the world’s Anglicans (I think).
The number of “I thinks” in this post suggest I may be talking out of my hat, but I’m probably not far wrong!
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7_Sorrows
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i am surprised there are that many Anglicans in India.
no doubt the Anglicans in Africa remain the more conservative or orthodox in the
Anglican communion.
no doubt the Anglicans in Africa remain the more conservative or orthodox in the
Anglican communion.
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Lotta people in India, so a few million is not very significant.
As to Africa, yes, conservative. (Not for me to judge orthodoxy!)
As to Africa, yes, conservative. (Not for me to judge orthodoxy!)
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7_Sorrows
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that is what i was thinking too. India has a uge population so a few million is not a big percentage.
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Dovekin
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The Chuch of South India has about 4 million, Church of North India has 1.5 million, according to Wikipedia. These are both mambers of the Churches of the Anglican Communion (official name of the churches in communion with Canterbury as best as I remember it).
Both Indian Churches are united churches formed from a merger of Anglican, Methodist, baptist, and other Protestant groups intheir areas. They reflect what I described earlier, the desire for Christians to worship together in one Church.
And yes, there were christians in England before Augustine. I was trying to highlight the connection between Rome and England and the subsequent independence granted by Rome. Lots of history left out to highlight that the Church of England did not start with Henry VIII, and why Anglicans see Apostolic Succession in their bishops, while Rome Catholics do not.
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so these Indian churches that were a merger of Methodist, Baptist and other protestant groups actually belong to the Anglican communion and worship the Anglican liturgy?
so was the Catholic church known as the Church of England before the king separated from Rome?
so was the Catholic church known as the Church of England before the king separated from Rome?
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Maximilian75
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I believe in a colloquial sense only, just like we talk about the state of the ‘American Catholic Church’ as opposed to 'The Catholic Church in America"
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so it might have been known as the English Catholic Church or the Catholic Church of England?
because King Henry VIII defintely started a church in England in whch he was the head and was not part of Rome. so whatever church he began and named did start with him.
because King Henry VIII defintely started a church in England in whch he was the head and was not part of Rome. so whatever church he began and named did start with him.
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