Hidden meaning in Islamic symbols.

[DennisTate]

I firmly believe that there is powerful meaning in the Islamic symbols. A partial moon with a schimitar to my thinking, on at least one level implies that when Jews and Christians are only reflecting a small portion of the light of Messiah/Mashiach, God raises up the Islamic people to be angry with us. This is done to prod us toward repentance with our whole heart and is not done because God hates either Jews or Christians or Moslems, but because God wants us to repent fully and be transformed by the Holy Spirit of God.

I believe that there is valid meaning in Ramadan as well.
Fasting for the day and feasting at night, I feel is symbolic of how little we humans understans about what God is doing while we are alive. On the other hand we can learn more about God in a few seconds after we die than we learned in fifty or seventy or even in a hundred years of life as a human. The NDE of Ms. Beverly Brodsky illustrates this principle perfectly.

.near-death.com/experiences/judaism02.html

//Beverly Brodsky was raised in a conservative Jewish family in a mostly Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia. She went through her teens as an atheist. Since learning of the Holocaust at age eight, she had turned angrily against any early belief in God. How could God exist and permit such a thing to occur? In July 1970, her questions were answered when a motorcycle accident led to her near-death experience.//
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//I don’t recall the exact content of our discussion; in the process of return, the insights that came so clearly and fully in Heaven were not brought back with me to Earth. I’m sure that I asked the question that had been plaguing me since childhood about the sufferings of my people. I do remember this: There was a reason for everything that happened, no matter how awful it appeared in the physical realm. And within myself, as I was given the answer, my own awakening mind now responded in the same manner:

“Of course,” I would think, “I already know that. How could I ever have forgotten!”

Indeed, it appears that all that happens is for a purpose, and that purpose is already known to our eternal self.

In time the questions ceased, because I suddenly was filled with all the Being’s wisdom. I was given more than just the answers to my questions; all knowledge unfolded to me, like the instant blossoming of an infinite number of flowers all at once. I was filled with God’s knowledge, and in that precious aspect of his Beingness, I was one with him. But my journey of discovery was just beginning.// (Beverly Brodsky, near-death. com)

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

The moon symbol of Islam wasn’t adapted until hundreds of years later when the Ottoman Turks took it up - in other words, long long after “God raised up the Islamic people to be angry with us.”

Likewise, near death experiences reported online are hardly sources of sound theology.

 

[DennisTate]

The moon symbol of Islam wasn’t adapted until hundreds of years later when the Ottoman Turks took it up - in other words, long long after “God raised up the Islamic people to be angry with us.”

Likewise, near death experiences reported online are hardly sources of sound theology.

Thank you for letting me know that the moon symbol was not adopted until the time of the Ottoman Turks.

I hope that you find some encouragement in this prophecy given to a evangelical Christian that God is going to do something big soon to take Moslems and Christians and Jews to a whole new level of understanding each other.

// February 6, 2009

While spending time with the Lord He reminded me of Ali’s funeral (Ali was my first husband who was murdered in 94/95) and how the Holy Spirit had me praying in tongues and in travail for the muslim people’s salvation in Christ Jesus.

He assured me that He heard my prayer that day. Suddenly I became very excited in my spirit and asked the Holy Spirit

“What’s going on?”

This is what He said:

You’ll see… It’ll be explosive when it happens. They will flock towards salvation as the hardness is lifted off of their hearts and the scales are removed from their eyes. They are a passionate people but their purpose has not yet been served. Upon the fulfillment of their role in the history of mankind there will be a flood of souls pouring into the kingdom of God for His glory. They have been scorned, they have been accused, but the ones who are pure in heart shall see God. When He reveals Himself to them in all His glory they will prostrate themselves before Him in a way they have never done before. When He opens the eyes of their understanding and unstops their ears to hear what His Holy Spirit is revealing the waves of tears of repentance will flood the ground they occupy and they will be purged once and for all time of the stains of their unbelief. The Lord is calling out for a pure and holy nation before God and He will do as He chooses and choose as He pleases and mankind will truly stand in awe of His mighty Majesty and Splendor as the precious souls are ushered into His kingdom.

GIVE HIM PRAISE AND GLORY!// (Mary, from Power Packed Prayers)

I believe that this prophecy fits perfectly with the scriptures regarding the restoration of the lost tribes of Israel. James Hider in his article A Tragic Misunderstanding states that 86% of Palestinian Moslems are closer genetically to Israeli Jews, than they are to Arabs.

I believe that this statistic fits with the statement in a book by Sid Roth that in the time of Bar Kochba rebellion as many as 400,000 Messianic Jewish believers in Yahushua/Jesus were in Judaea, they did not join Rabbi Akiba and Bar Kochba in the rebellion and thus were not expelled from the land. Later their grandchildren converted to Islam.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I hope that you find some encouragement in this prophecy given to a evangelical Christian that God is going to do something big soon to take Moslems and Christians and Jews to a whole new level of understanding each other.

I find encouragement only in the word of God, not internet prophecies given no accountability.

 

[FidesSpesCarita]

:clapping::tiphat:

I find encouragement only in the word of God, not internet prophecies given no accountability.

:clapping::tiphat:

 

[Petergee]

The moon symbol of Islam wasn’t adapted until hundreds of years later when the Ottoman Turks took it up - in other words, long long after “God raised up the Islamic people to be angry with us.”

And actually the crescent moon symbol was originally used as a symbol of the (Christian) Eastern Roman Empire. It was then adopted by the Moslem “Sultanate of Rum” (i.e. “Rome” as Constantinople is “New Rome”) which had conquered most of Anatolia which had comprised the heartland of the ERE. Then by the Ottoman Empire which succeeded it, and later after the Ottoman Empire later conquered almost all of the other Moslem-majority countries, it gradually came to be seen as a symbol of Islam.

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

I firmly believe that there is powerful meaning in the Islamic symbols. A partial moon with a schimitar to my thinking, on at least one level implies that when Jews and Christians are only reflecting a small portion of the light of Messiah/Mashiach, God raises up the Islamic people to be angry with us.

The the moon is often times used to represent the world (secularism) and sin, The schimitar is a weapon (no hidden message there) - how, pray tell, does a weapon and the moon imply that Jews and Christians are only reflecting on a small portion of light…?
Anyway, I think further reflection on the “schimitar” should lead one to contemplate “He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.”

This is done to prod us toward repentance with our whole heart and is not done because God hates either Jews or Christians or Moslems, but because God wants us to repent fully and be transformed by the Holy Spirit of God.

If God wants us to be transformed why not just send the Holy Spirit instead of the moslims?

I believe that there is valid meaning in Ramadan as well.
Fasting for the day and feasting at night, I feel is symbolic of how little we humans understans about what God is doing while we are alive.

Well the way they fast never made any sense, fasting during daytime and then breaking it by eating at night.

 

[Dale_M]

Okay, I’ll be the stick-in-the-mud to say it.

Discussion of private revelations, even received in prayer, are not allowed at CAF:

25. Promoting unapproved apparitions and revelations (those not approved by the Church for private or public devotion) or alleged private locutions

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=270175

Dennis, I see you haven’t posted very often, so I am guessing you were unaware of this rule. That is why I am drawing your attention to it.

 

[Sam_777]

The crescent was adapted by the Ottoman empire in the 14 century, but keep in mind that the crescent was/is the symbol of Babylonian moon-god, and the symbol of Satan worshippers (Yazidis’ religion):

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Yazidi’s Mosque:
http://yeziditruth.org/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/SinjarYezidiTemple.22891631_std.jpg

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Yes, but I’ve heard people say that the moon has always been a symbol of Islam. That isn’t true - before the moon symbol became popular, Muslim nations and armies either used plain-colored flags or colored flags with the shahadat written on it.

 

[KathleenGee]

The ancient Aztecs believed in the moon god…and to appease its darkness, human sacrifice was done to bring the sun back in the morning.

The image of Mary of Guadalupe has her standing on the crescent moon with St. Michael the Archangel beneath…During the Battle of Lepanto, the pope was praying the rosary, as was many thorughout…but he was also reflecting on the newly arrived copy of the image of the tilma…

 

[DennisTate]

Okay, I’ll be the stick-in-the-mud to say it.

Discussion of private revelations, even received in prayer, are not allowed at CAF:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=270175

Dennis, I see you haven’t posted very often, so I am guessing you were unaware of this rule. That is why I am drawing your attention to it.

Hi Dale: Thank you for letting me know. So would I be correct in assuming that my opening post is OK, because it is just a theory but my quotation from the other woman who gives a prediction of a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit to Moslems would be inappropriate for this forum?

 

[DennisTate]

The ancient Aztecs believed in the moon god…and to appease its darkness, human sacrifice was done to bring the sun back in the morning.

The image of Mary of Guadalupe has her standing on the crescent moon with St. Michael the Archangel beneath…During the Battle of Lepanto, the pope was praying the rosary, as was many thorughout…but he was also reflecting on the newly arrived copy of the image of the tilma…

Hi KathleenGee: One of the most off the scale miracles of history, in my opinion, is the way in which Pope John Paul II cooperated with President Reagan in the fall of the Iron Curtain. Most of the work done by the Vatican was quite frankly FERVENT PRAYER, but the actual actions taken by the Vatican, in my opinion, were nothing less than inspired.

Something somewhat similar has been happening in Canada. Although I personally am a card carrying member of the Liberal Party, I believe that our Prime Minister Stephen Harper did something exceptional with his apology to the First Nations people of Canada. I saw the video of what he said a few months ago on the website:

I can’t find the full video at this moment but this will help:
i4give.ca/index.cfm?i=11874&mid=2

Background
On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper extended an apology on behalf of Canada and asked forgiveness of the First Nations, Inuit and Métis people for historic wrongs, specifically, for the abuses many aboriginal people experienced in residential schools in Canada. In recent years, the Government of Canada, the churches in Canada, First Nations, Inuit, Métis peoples, and the people of Canada have made significant inroads and progress towards achieving a meaningful reconciliation throughout Canada. In particular, the vision of Elijah Harper in Sacred Assemblies, the Government of Canada’s Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples, and the Aboriginal Healing Foundation, the Apology of our Prime Minister, and now, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission will no doubt achieve further progress in restoring honour, healing in First Peoples, and for our nation.

About Kenny Blacksmith

Kenny Blacksmith currently works as an Aboriginal management consultant providing services in Aboriginal rights, education, language and culture, as well as in management, marketing, communications, negotiations and Christian leadership training. He is the author of the Covenant of the First Peoples of Canada, which is a historic people-to-people Treaty between First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples in Canada. As an ordained Minister, Mr. Blacksmith is keenly aware of social community issues, personal, family and inner healing needs. He was raised in the Cree Community of Mistissini Lake, Quebec and is a former Deputy Grand Chief of the Cree Nation of Quebec.

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Responding to the Apology: National Forgiven Summit
To date, a national response to Prime Minister Harper’s apology and request for forgiveness has not been coordinated. However, the First Peoples of Canada, consisting of Christian First Nations, Inuit and Métis believers, under the coordination and leadership of Gathering Nations International, and in unity with the greater Christian community in Canada, wish to take their place in a national, public response to the June 2008 apology and request for forgiveness by our Prime Minister.

From June 11-13, 2010, representatives and leaders from Canada’s First Nations, Inuit and Métis communities, the churches of the ten provinces and three territories, international observers and media would gather at the Ottawa Civic Centre to formally and publicly extend forgiveness to the government of Canada at a national Sacred Summit. This three-day event will involve approximately 3,500-5,000 people and broadly follow three themes: gathering and witnessing unity of purpose; forgiveness protocols, and the celebration of freedom that forgiveness imparts.

This initiative differs from earlier attempts to forge reconciliation in that, while not neglecting the advances of previous investments in healing and reconciliation, this event focuses on empowering the “grass roots” by teaching the Christian principles of forgiveness within the indigenous culture one family at a time, from coast to coast to coast.

I believe firmly that all of us can learn a lot from what PM Harper has done. Frankly, you and I and Pope Benedict are living in a time period where even more can be accomplished than the fall of the Iron Curtain!?

Humility is a great place for all of to start from.

 

[Dale_M]

Hi Dale: Thank you for letting me know. So would I be correct in assuming that my opening post is OK, because it is just a theory but my quotation from the other woman who gives a prediction of a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit to Moslems would be inappropriate for this forum?

I am not a moderator, so I really can’t say for sure. But I think the beginning of your first post was okay. It was the portion which was in between the slash marks which would have run afoul of forum rules. And the same would be true of your second post in this thread.

 

[KathleenGee]

Yes we can…and I think it the same for all mankind…

Today at Mass the theme was humility…and we can never get enough of it. I resolved today to be more humble…and not get carried away by things…but work more to remain in the Spirit of God…