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I know some say the Roman Catholic church in the US and in the West for that matter is headed for schism, but I doubt that, but what I do think is the church is headed for liturgical divsions similar to that of the Anglicans/Epsicopalins. First let me give a background of the liturgical divsions among the Anglicans.
High Church- This branch of the Anglicans are also known as Anglo Catholic. Their style of worship almost amounts to the Tridentine mass in English, though most of the priests who celebrate in this manner now face the people.
Low Church- A almost non liturgical style of worship, also called the Evangelical wing of the church.
Broad- Church, sort of in between. Its a liturgical style of worship, though without the smalles and bells, somwhat similar to the current Novus Ordo mass but still uses communion rails.
That said, one ha sto keep in mind that in terms of theology, the divsions in the Anglican church are not all that neat. Many high church conregations are very liberal theologically, while the low church/evengelical wing is the most conservative theologically.
As for how the splits in the Catholic church, here is how I place them.
High Church- Tridentine mass and trad-lite Novus Ordos. In the case of the Novus Ordo, it usually has traditional elements such as use of some Latin, no altar girls, no EMHCs, use of the altar rail. This liturgical group is fairly small, but it produces vocations that far exceeds its small numbers as a percentage of the church as a whole. This group is also almost entirely conservative theologically.
Broad Church- The biggest grouping of the church in the US. The basic suburban parish, with altar girls, a large number of EMHCs, Haugen and Haas hymns and so on. Theologically moderate-conservative, but doesnt take any tough stands, though also it is rare that one would see outright dissent or liturgical dancers at these parishes.
Low Church- This group is all over the place. From Newman centers, to rich suburban and inner city parishes to Charismatic groups. Here one will see oddball liturgical practices such as liturgical dancers, an agressive attempt to de sacramentalize the liturgy, agressive dissent from church teachings, and a big push on social justice or as often called “peace & justice”. This group per capita is probably the most well off in terms of finances, it has many allies in chancery offices, various orders, universities and many of the more senor clergy and even a few bishops are sympathetic to this group, so it has a fair amount of power still. The thing is it is almost in terms of age the oldest of these main groups and produces almost no vocations. Theologically except for the Charismatics, they are liberal.
High Church- This branch of the Anglicans are also known as Anglo Catholic. Their style of worship almost amounts to the Tridentine mass in English, though most of the priests who celebrate in this manner now face the people.
Low Church- A almost non liturgical style of worship, also called the Evangelical wing of the church.
Broad- Church, sort of in between. Its a liturgical style of worship, though without the smalles and bells, somwhat similar to the current Novus Ordo mass but still uses communion rails.
That said, one ha sto keep in mind that in terms of theology, the divsions in the Anglican church are not all that neat. Many high church conregations are very liberal theologically, while the low church/evengelical wing is the most conservative theologically.
As for how the splits in the Catholic church, here is how I place them.
High Church- Tridentine mass and trad-lite Novus Ordos. In the case of the Novus Ordo, it usually has traditional elements such as use of some Latin, no altar girls, no EMHCs, use of the altar rail. This liturgical group is fairly small, but it produces vocations that far exceeds its small numbers as a percentage of the church as a whole. This group is also almost entirely conservative theologically.
Broad Church- The biggest grouping of the church in the US. The basic suburban parish, with altar girls, a large number of EMHCs, Haugen and Haas hymns and so on. Theologically moderate-conservative, but doesnt take any tough stands, though also it is rare that one would see outright dissent or liturgical dancers at these parishes.
Low Church- This group is all over the place. From Newman centers, to rich suburban and inner city parishes to Charismatic groups. Here one will see oddball liturgical practices such as liturgical dancers, an agressive attempt to de sacramentalize the liturgy, agressive dissent from church teachings, and a big push on social justice or as often called “peace & justice”. This group per capita is probably the most well off in terms of finances, it has many allies in chancery offices, various orders, universities and many of the more senor clergy and even a few bishops are sympathetic to this group, so it has a fair amount of power still. The thing is it is almost in terms of age the oldest of these main groups and produces almost no vocations. Theologically except for the Charismatics, they are liberal.