High Mass in English?

[phil19034]

phil19034:

GloriaDei:

How can you find this out? Is it usually listed on their websites?

If you are in Chattanooga, I would recommend checking this parish out. https://www.stspeterandpaulbasilica.com/

They offer the Latin mass and apparently very reverent and beautiful Ordinary Form masses too.

Plus, the church is a Minor Basilica.

I have been here. Actually, it was the second mass I was referencing in my post. They do vary in the level of celebration depending upon which mass time you go to, but their 11:30 is their principal mass. A sung mass, has Gregorian chant, a schola, communion at an altar rail, the priest celebrating the eucharistic liturgy facing liturgical east, multiple portions in Latin. Lots of incense. And this is the Ordinary Form. They do the EF once a month.

If you go at other times they might have a recited mass, or a “simple sung” mass all in English facing the people and with a choir, not a schola. But the 11:30 is as I described.

If I could, I’d move to Chattanooga for that mass!!!

 

[GloriaDei]

Thank you so much for all of your help. I’m starting to feel like I may have found a new home Church. I will visit both of the Churches on this posting (St. Stephen’s and St. Peter and Paul).

It’s nice to see that Catholics are so tenderhearted and helpful! <3

In Christ Jesus,
GloriaDei

 

[Wesrock]

Thank you so much for all of your help. I’m starting to feel like I may have found a new home Church. I will visit both of the Churches on this posting (St. Stephen’s and St. Peter and Paul).

It’s nice to see that Catholics are so tenderhearted and helpful! <3

In Christ Jesus,
GloriaDei

I missed you were a fellow Chattanoogan. St. Stephen’s is my “home” parish. Their mass celebration reflects what you see more commonly. Incense is used on solemnities, but not generally. They do hymns, not pop music. Note that I did call it my home parish, so I’m not saying this is bad. Just going to set your expectations. Definitely no clown masses, and they’re definitely orthodox.

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

There are a number of things to clarify here. Let’s go one by one.

Latin Mass

This is commonly used to mean the Traditional Latin Mass, properly the Extraordinary Form. Note, however, that the Ordinary Form is also technically the Latin Mass as it belongs to the Latin Church and the Missal is in Latin, but it may be translated into other languages. (Another has already told you about “Novus Ordo”.)

other parts that are optional on a weekday

Since you’re new, OP, it’s worth noting that what @HeDa refers to as optional aren’t really options. Instead, there are certain weekdays where these items (creed, gloria, etc) are required and days where they aren’t. They are always required on Sundays. That said, there are places within every Mass where options exist; for example, the creed (when called for) could be the Nicene Creed, the Apostles Creed, or replaced by a renewal of baptismal promises.

How can you find out which Masses in Novus Ordo Parishes are more traditional? I’m mainly concerned about contemporary pop/rock music instead of hymns or chants, and complete disregard for the Tradition of the Church.

Experience or by asking/contacting them. Furthermore, what you’re referring to are not Traditions (with capital T) but traditions (lowercase), better thought of as preferences. Capital T Traditions are teachings and dogmas of the Church that cannot be altered; I’ve yet to encounter any parish in communion with Rome that blatantly disregards Tradition, though they may well exist.

Clown Mass, congregational dancing, Charismaticism, irreverent music

Clown Masses only exist, in my experience, on YouTube. The rest of your list isn’t necessarily counter to what’s acceptable in the Church. Certain cultures are permitted dance; the Charismatic Renewal is accepted and approved; and music is a matter of opinion in most cases.

History doesn’t equate to authority. All Catholic bishops have equal Apostolic authority. Bear in mind that sometimes the “modern” and “traditional” are two ends of the pendulum. You should aim for the middle to find the Church; then account for your preferences by moving slightly in one direction or the other.

 

[twf]

Is there a cathedral in your area? More likely to have a “high Mass” on the schedule. Our cathedral has 7 Masses every Sunday. All are OF and all are reverent. Though the 11 AM is the “high Mass”… Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei are often in Latin, beautiful polyphonic choir, incense, chant. At our cathedral the altar rail is also used at all Masses. The faithful always have the option to receive standing in the middle or to receive kneeling at either side along the rail.

 

[phil19034]

Is there a cathedral in your area? More likely to have a “high Mass” on the schedule. Our cathedral has 7 Masses every Sunday. All are OF and all are reverent. Though the 11 AM is the “high Mass”… Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei are often in Latin, beautiful polyphonic choir, incense, chant. At our cathedral the altar rail is also used at all Masses. The faithful always have the option to receive standing in the middle or to receive kneeling at either side along the rail.

No, the Cathedral is two hours away. But they have a beautiful Basilica with a such a mass at 11:30 am

 

[AngelusDomini]

My understanding was this (sure someone will correct me if wrong though):

High Mass - Priest, Deacon, and Sub-Deacon, Sung, with incense

Solemn Mass - Sung with incense (may have Deacon)

Sung Mass - Sung, no incense, (May have Deacon)

Low Mass - Said by priest, no incense

There are other variables but I’ve always taken the above as a rule of thumb. The language doesn’t matter.

 

[ProVobis]

To the best of my recollection, the 1960 classifications were as follows:

Missa Solemnis

Missa Cantata

Missa Lecta

A Pontifical Solemn Mass is a Missa Solemnis celebrated by a bishop.

 

[AngelusDomini]

That certainly works for the EF.
Low Mass - Quiet Mass
High Mass - Missa Cantata
Solemn High Mass - Missa Solemnis (Sung with full ceremonial)
But for the OF I think there are subtle but additional differences.

 

[ProVobis]

When I read the title of the thread I expected discussion of the Anglican Ordinariate.

 

[KyPerson]

That can be hard. I often go to the Fathers of Mercy chapel in South Union Kentucky. Beautiful Mass on Sunday with incense and singing and communion at the altar rail

 

[1ke]

That’s a great possibility. I’m looking to join the Catholic Church, I’m just afraid from videos I’ve seen of many abuses of the Novus Ordo Mass. (ie Clown Mass, congregational dancing, Charismaticism, irreverent music, etc.)

I’ve been a Catholic for 25 years and have never seen ANY of these things.

Basically, one thing someone saw somewhere 30 years ago has become a giant mythological beast and presented as if it happens all the time, everywhere.

And some liturgical oddities filmed and on You Tube aren’t even Catholic. There is one I see linked to a lot and it is Episcopalian, not Catholic,
when you take time to look closely.

This is, frankly, much ado about nothing.