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What do you guys think of Hillsong?

Personally, I’m not really into the whole “prosperity gospel” teachings, but I do have a healthy respect for the church. I love Hillsong TV and the Hillsong music, great stuff.

I really admire the way they’ve spread the word of Christ to millions of people worldwide and their music has touched millions more.

Links for those who don’t know what I’m talking about:

Official site
Wiki
 
hmm, I guess people don’t think threads where they can’t push an agenda or instigate arguments, oh wells 😉
 
I love Hillsong!!! The music is awesome and Pastor Houston is very inspirational.
 
I agree, Brain Houston is a great teacher. I’d love to attend the Hillsong annual conference or something to hear him speak in person. That would be super 😃
 
Personally, I’m not really into the whole “prosperity gospel” teachings,
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errr me either.

I am going to assume that this is a Protestant Ministry since these types of things are usually not our kind of thing.

Anyways I have never heard of this ministry however this is the first Protestant beliefs statement that I have ever read that I can actually agree with what they believe in regards to the Bible:
We believe that the Bible is God’s Word. It is accurate, authoritative and applicable to our every day lives.
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www2.hillsong.com/church/default.asp?pid=9

Authoritative :eek: This has to be a misprint. Surely they meant to say: “… the sole/final/only authority for a Christian…” It makes me wonder what else is held as “authoritative” in this ministry :hmmm:

God bless
 
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hmm, I guess people don’t think threads where they can’t push an agenda or instigate arguments, oh wells 😉
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It’s the middle of the night in the U.S. People need to get their sleep. 😉

I haven’t heard of them, but I’ll follow the links. In the morning.
 
Roman_Catholic said:
I am going to assume that this is a Protestant Ministry since these types of things are usually not our kind of thing.

Anyways I have never heard of this ministry however this is the first Protestant beliefs statement that I have ever read that I can actually agree with what they believe in regards to the Bible:

www2.hillsong.com/church/default.asp?pid=9

Authoritative :eek: This has to be a misprint. Surely they meant to say: “… the sole/final/only authority for a Christian…” It makes me wonder what else is held as “authoritative” in this ministry :hmmm:

God bless
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Well, I know of many Protestants who consider the Bible to be “authoritative”…I don’t see why that’s a surprise to you? I think you’re just splitting hairs there. Nothing else is really authoritative to my knowing, at least not any human being in case that’s what you mean.

But then again, I’m not really a member, I just enjoy their music and message (excluding the prosperity part). What they say makes sense in that the more money you have, the more you can give–that’s undeniable. I just don’t think it’s Biblical in it’s entirety.

I also respect their impact on the world. I honestly think they’ve changed things for the better.

This church is controversial though, especially in Australia.
 
Well, I know of many Protestants who consider the Bible to be “authoritative”…
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And I would respectfully argue that many Protestants I know would say that this phrase is “heretical” and goes against, “true Biblical Christianity”. To each his own I guess.

Here is an example of what I usually read in a Protestant Beliefs Statement regarding their view of the Bible:
that the Bible was supernaturally given by inspiration of God and that it is the final authority in all matters of faith, doctrine, and practice.
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And I refuse to give the link to this site on this forum.

There is a difference there and yes maybe it is splitting hairs, however sometimes that is all the difference. The one statement I can agree with the other I cannot… 🤷

Pax Tecum
 
Like, which groups would describe that as heretical? In my opinion, it’s the opposite of heretical, but whatever. To me, final authority and authoritative are relatively the same thing.

But yeah, can we kinda keep this thread related to Hillsong? Thanks.
 
I found their “What We Believe” section to be pretty much OK, though it is very general. I’d have to know how they interpret their own statements.

The one I heartily disagree with is:
We believe that God wants to heal and transform us so that we can live healthy and prosperous lives in order to help others more effectively.
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(bolding mine)

I guess I’m not a Christian in their view, since I am neither healthy nor prosperous. I’m glad I’m Catholic. I can offer my pain up to God, for Him to use to help somebody else. And I don’t have to wait until I’m prosperous to help others.

I’m afraid I think the “health and wealth gospel” is, at best, an adoption of New Age falsity, and at worst, from Satan.

I wonder how they apply Mk 12:41-44.

To God be the glory,

Ruthie
 
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Like, which groups would describe that as heretical? In my opinion, it’s the opposite of heretical, but whatever. To me, final authority and authoritative are relatively the same thing.
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The problem with the bible being the “final authority” is that it can never really be the bible that is the authority, but rather the person’s reading and interpretation of the bible. A hundred Christians can read the same bible and derive a hundred different beliefs and practices.

So you have thousands of different Protestant religions all claiming to get their thousands of conflicting “authoritative teachings and practices” from reading the same bible.

How can a book that must be read and interpreted by humans possibly be the final authority on anything?
 
Fair enough, then.

I knew this thread would eventually evolve into an attack on Protestants in general, I was foolish to believe otherwise. Just can’t quite help yourselves, can you? Sorry for posting it.

I thank you for correcting me on that, though.

Ruthie, what you’re referring to is essentially the prosperity gospel I was talking about, I don’t agree with it either–at least not to it’s fullest extent.
 
I don’t think that the above was an attack on Protestantism at all. What was recognised and applauded was that the Hillsong statement of faith, unlike some others acknowledges what we have in common. As Christians, we all accept the Bible as authoratative.

By limiting themselves to this statement, rather than the ‘only’ option, they have allowed for the possibility that Catholics may be Christians, even if they accept another authority, so long as they accept the authority of the Bible. (Which we do!!)

Personally I quite like them. Their preaching style is a bit too Protestant for my taste, but I love many of their songs and have even used a few in Catholic Masses.

Regards
 
Cool.

Glad your church enjoys their music, too. I reckon everyone should give it a listen, regardless of your respective denomination or church.
 
It’s the final authority on whether you go to heaven or hell buddy!!!
 
It’s the final authority on whether you go to heaven or hell buddy!!!
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And let me guess, because I’m not a Catholic, I’m going to hell yeah?
 
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It’s the final authority on whether you go to heaven or hell buddy!!!
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So tell me where to find the Book, Chapter and Verse where it says “DrDave is going to …”

Really, the suspense is killing me!

If you can’t find a verse that says that, then we must be talking about your fallable interpretation of some other verse. Or are you infallable?

But back to the topic, my favourite Hillsong songs (try saying that quickly three times) are ‘Shout to the Lord’ and ‘The power of your Love’

Regards Dave
 
Jesse, I find it interesting that we both seem to have taken the above as attacks on our respective positions.

Perhaps we have more in common than one might think?

Regards Dave
 
Perhaps indeed.

I guess I just a get bit defensive here, I really should stop assuming that any derogatory or inflammatory comment is directed towards me or other Protestants–especially in the context of such discussions.
 
I watch Hillsong from here (NZ) as well as a multitude of similar ministries, from Australia, U.S.A, U.K, Asia Pacific. Some of the music is beautiful and touching.

What I have noticed, is that a lot of the “Protestant” ministries are ‘evolving’ and moving TOWARDS Rome!

For instance, I have heard some pastors actually speak these words; **“It is quite wrong for anyone to say that your faith, alone, by itself, will save you! This is quite an error that other Christians believe!..” **

Of the ones I’ve watched on a weekly basis, I have seen three pastors say this.

I have also seen others delight in the fact that they went to Rome and were photographed meeting The Pope…(JP2) because some of these programmes are dated. One of these Pastors actually referred to The Pope as Our Holy Father!!??!! and asked the congregation to pray for him (JPII) and his health!!

Gotta Love it!

Back to Hillsong…of all the music, I have yet to see any singer better “Israel”…the singer from Joel Osteens ministry.

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